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http://www.digitalpassing.com/2010/06/21/what-is-digital-property/
Further and further down the rabbit hole we go.

Digitalpassing.com really? When has a website of no legal comprehension applies?

Intangible property, also known as incorporeal property, describes something which a person or corporation can have ownership of and can transfer ownership to another person or corporation, but has no physical substance. It generally refers to statutory creations such as copyright, trademarks, or patents. It excludes tangible property like real property (land, buildings, and fixtures) and personal property (ships, automobiles, tools, etc.). In some jurisdictions intangible property are referred to as choses in action. Intangible property is used in distinction to tangible property. It is useful to note that there are two forms of intangible property: legal intangible property (which is discussed here) and competitive intangible property (which is the source from which legal intangible property is created but cannot be owned, extinguished, or transferred). Competitive intangible property disobeys the intellectual property test of voluntary extinguishment and therefore results in the sources that create intellectual property (knowledge in its source form, collaboration, process-engagement, etc.) escaping quantification.

Generally, ownership of intangible property gives the owner a set of legally enforceable rights over reproduction of personal property containing certain content. For example, a copyright owner can control the reproduction of the work forming the copyright. However, the intangible property forms a set of rights separate from the tangible property that carries the rights. For example, the owner of a copyright can control the printing of books containing the content, but the book itself is personal property which can be bought and sold without concern over the rights of the copyright holder.

In English law and other Commonwealth legal systems, intangible property is traditionally divided in pure intangibles (such as debts, intellectual property rights and goodwill) and documentary intangibles, which obtain their character through the medium of a document (such as a bill of lading, promissory note or bill of exchange). The recent rise of electronic documents has blurred the distinction between pure intangibles and documentary intangibles.

The only thing that is property in the exchange of digital goods is bill of exchange. AKA the receipt. If you've purchased said product and pirated(since this is the world people associate with and not download) for your own interests and you were sued because you pirated, you would not be found guilty and you'd then have a valid opportunity to counter sue.
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post #242 of 278
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*snip*

https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/trips_e/intel1_e.htm
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Intellectual property rights are the rights given to persons over the creations of their minds. They usually give the creator an exclusive right over the use of his/her creation for a certain period of time.

Down, down, down. Would the fall never come to an end?
post #243 of 278
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Originally Posted by SpeedyVT View Post

It's not property it's data. It's like documentation. Property has to be tangible. Personal data =/= property.

Copywrite only applies to information not property. So it is not theft. Whole different beast, it's copywrite infringement, but to infringe you'd have to also be selling the copywritten material.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/piracy

The unauthorized use or reproduction of another’s work

Unathorized = Not paid = Illegal
post #244 of 278
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https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/trips_e/intel1_e.htm
Down, down, down. Would the fall never come to an end?

In English language there are two types of things that apply to the terms property. One is possession the other is characteristics, if you notice that an intellectual property is a declaration of characteristics not possession.

Copywrite is possession of said material.

Why does this apply differently? Well that's because Copywrites can exchange or be owned by many things and property as physical possession can not. Plus everything else I stated to this point.
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How is that an emotional argument?

Murder is okay? Murder is wrong?

I was imposing the ideal that a commandment is a definition of ethical boundaries, clearly something you missed, in it's entirety.

That being said, for most people, the state's definition is the only definition, therefor if something is illegal, it's wrong. That's not really an argument.

Your continual need to redefine pirating as ethical is, concerning but, it's really not my problem.

Murder and Piracy are both illegal. Clearly one is significantly more severe than the other, it still doesn't change the premise and or/morality of either. Wrong is wrong.

I comprehend what morality means, clearly, more than you considering when the premise of Commandments were brought forth, you attempted to spin it into an emotional debate where no emotions exist. Either law is law or it's not. Man-made or other, law is law.

Piracy is breaking the law. Ethically, morally, legally; piracy is wrong.

No emotional argument changes the facts - Piracy is piracy, piracy is illegal under both the law of "god" and our own.

And why do you *think* murder is considered wrong? Because the law says so? No, it's because humanity evolved with a sense of moral. Murder is destructive to mankind. It's not in the interest of anyone sane. Regardless of what anyone believes, it was neither a man-made or supposedly divine law that made murder wrong.

And I said it's emotional because you're comparing it to murder. I can understand the principle you're trying to expose here.

The problem is you're getting it backwards. Is piracy illegal? Wherever the law says so, yes. But where did you get that "most people" agree with the state? Perhaps you should interact with people more, see how they really are.

Let's work with practical examples here: are you aware of the textbook piracy culture among university students? It's illegal, totally. Most of those people aren't thieves or murderers. Why would they have this "double standard"? Could it be that....you know, in reality...they DON'T care about what the state dictates and are exclusively following their moral code?
post #246 of 278
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In English language there are two types of things that apply to the terms property. One is possession the other is characteristics, if you notice that an intellectual property is a declaration of characteristics not possession.

Copywrite is possession of said material.
This semantics discussion is really pointless. It does not matter if it is copyright infringiment or whatever it is. Obtaining access to something that costs money without paying is theft.
post #247 of 278
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This semantics discussion is really pointless. It does not matter if it is copyright infringiment or whatever it is. Obtaining access to something that costs money without paying is theft.

Theft implies the object is tangible. It's not theft if you steal a piece of paper with information on it like a check, it's only theft when you cash the check and walk away with the money.
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It is bloody stealing and anyone who thinks otherwise is either a simpleton or a pirate
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It is bloody stealing and anyone who thinks otherwise is either a simpleton or a pirate

Stealing doesn't imply theft, you're correct.

steal
stēl/
verb
verb: steal; 3rd person present: steals; past tense: stole; gerund or present participle: stealing; past participle: stolen
1.
take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.
"thieves stole her bicycle"
synonyms: purloin, thieve, take, take for oneself, help oneself to, loot, pilfer, run off with, abscond with, carry off, shoplift; More
embezzle, misappropriate;
informalwalk off with, rob, swipe, snatch, nab, rip off, lift, “liberate”, “borrow”, filch, pinch, heist;
informalnick;
formalpeculate
"the burglars stole a fax machine"
theft, thieving, thievery, robbery, larceny, burglary, shoplifting, pilfering, pilferage, looting, misappropriation;
embezzlement;
formalpeculation
"he was convicted of stealing"
dishonestly pass off (another person's ideas) as one's own.
"accusations that one group had stolen ideas from the other were soon flying"
synonyms: plagiarize, copy, pass off as one's own, pirate, poach, borrow; More
informalrip off, lift, pinch, crib;
informalnick
"his work was stolen by his tutor"
take the opportunity to give or share (a kiss) when it is not expected or when people are not watching.
"he was allowed to steal a kiss in the darkness"
synonyms: snatch, sneak, get stealthily/surreptitiously
"he stole a kiss"
(in various sports) gain (an advantage, a run, or possession of the ball) unexpectedly or by exploiting the temporary distraction of an opponent.
Baseball
(of a base runner) advance safely to (the next base) by running to it as the pitcher begins the delivery.
"Rickey stole third base"

2.
move somewhere quietly or surreptitiously.
"he stole down to the kitchen"
synonyms: creep, sneak, slink, slip, slide, glide, tiptoe, sidle, edge
"he stole out of the room"

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post #250 of 278
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It is bloody stealing and anyone who thinks otherwise is either a simpleton or a pirate

Leaving it at this - I've got better things to do. thumb.gif

Stealing:
noun
1.
the act of a person who steals.
2.
Usually, stealings. something that is stolen.


Theft:
noun
1.
the act of stealing; the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another; larceny.
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