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LOL the Far Cry games already have enough stuttering on their own, now their adding Denuvo to make it even worse? Thanks for saving me $60, I'll put that towards something that deserves my money.

Well that is just not true , FC3 & 4 ran great

Denuvo does not cause stuttering either
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This is like asking proof of oranges being orange rolleyes.gif
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Piracy happens, because:
1st: People have no access to that content. That was big issue up till 1-2-3 years ago.
2nd: People are poor and their countries are poor . 99% of the cases for piracy. If they don't have money to buy it, they will not buy it, no matter what DRM you put it.


Also, do not come up with the argument "If you do not have enough money to eat, maybe you shouldn't play games", as i am working, getting lots more than the average for the country, but i am still poor. Changing the mentality won't work, if we don't have any means to get it.

PS: Comment was deleted due to abreviated "swear".

I disagree with the second. This is not because of being poor. People from all ranges pirate movies, tv shows, games, music. It really has nothing to do with just being poor.

People mostly just want to content without buying. Why buy a DVD when you can just download it? Why pay for HBO when you can just download the specific TV series you like? Why pay for adele album off itunes when you can just download it in 5 minutes for free?

It is more common from what I can see, that if you have a high speed internet connection (not a big part of poor countries), it is easier and more accessible for you to download that DVD version of a movie or a 20GB game, than go to the store and buy the game you like.

Hell. Stores where I live sell cracked xbox 360 versions (where you can run downloaded games) uninterrupted. Even advertising it. And we are far from being a poor country.
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I disagree with the second. This is not because of being poor. People from all ranges pirate movies, tv shows, games, music. It really has nothing to do with just being poor.
It's to some point. If an average game cost around 200$ in USA, which is similar to what relative cost is in some countries, you would see a good increase in piracy.

Personally if I didn't pirate as a kid I wouldn't be buying games now.
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uhhhh a study is not science.......I can make a study to show evidence for almost anything I want........and you forget that people are liars........

So what you are in essence saying: People getting games without paying for them leads to more people buying the games. I disagree.

Also, there would be a lot more accoutability for developers if everyone had to pay for the game. You have your opinion and I have mine.

CDPR would agree with him, they also showed it in practice with 2 games in a row. Games with the highest rates of piracy also tend to have the highest rates of sales. Which to me really only indicates that the key is just to make good content. No amount of DRM will magically make a game better, so if it's bad expect poor sales, there's no one but the company to blame.
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CDPR would agree with him, they also showed it in practice with 2 games in a row. Games with the highest rates of piracy also tend to have the highest rates of sales. Which to me really only indicates that the key is just to make good content. No amount of DRM will magically make a game better, so if it's bad expect poor sales, there's no one but the company to blame.

Sure I read somewhere that W3 was the most pirated game of 2015

It was not also the top selling game of 2015
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I disagree with the second. This is not because of being poor. People from all ranges pirate movies, tv shows, games, music. It really has nothing to do with just being poor.

People mostly just want to content without buying. Why buy a DVD when you can just download it? Why pay for HBO when you can just download the specific TV series you like? Why pay for adele album off itunes when you can just download it in 5 minutes for free?

It is more common from what I can see, that if you have a high speed internet connection (not a big part of poor countries), it is easier and more accessible for you to download that DVD version of a movie or a 20GB game, than go to the store and buy the game you like.

Hell. Stores where I live sell cracked xbox 360 versions (where you can run downloaded games) uninterrupted. Even advertising it. And we are far from being a poor country.

Just wanna point out that even here in Australia, a first world country, the only options for most PC games are digital distribution or importation (brick and mortar stores only sell 5-6 different PC games these days) and we have seriously bad internet, meanwhile there are developing and 3rd world nations with large amounts of fiber internet. It is not unfeasible that a Nigerian kid with no money, but access to his fiber network and computer donated by bill gates would pirate a game (I'm making up a scenario, but I think it illustrates my point).

It's also not unfeasible that the person earning $4/day in Mexico would wait over a week to download a game through a crappy connection if that is his only option, whether he paid for it or not.
I once waited 2 weeks to play WoW on a free dial up connection I had while I waited months for ADSL to finally be reconnected.

Sidenote: I wish I could pay for HBO, I would gladly if they'd just offer their service here.
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Sure I read somewhere that W3 was the most pirated game of 2015

It was not also the top selling game of 2015

I did structure my thought very poorly, what I really mean is it had large rates of piracy and yet still remained one of the highest selling games. The 5th best selling game on PC last year, and you can probably safely bet that the other highest selling games had high rates of piracy. Large amounts of piracy can be indicative of demand.

I wanna be clear, I'm not necessarily for or against piracy. I just think that maybe there is something to what some companies like CDPR are telling us.

I don't know how legitimate these statistics are, but it seems to be hard to find any statistics on this issue from a reputable source, and every other chart I looked at seems to indicate something similar to this one http://chartsbin.com/view/1186
That is, that as people keep saying.. it's poor people and likely people affected by geo blocking and such who are most likely to pirate software.
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I did structure my thought very poorly, what I really mean is it had large rates of piracy and yet still remained one of the highest selling games. The 5th best selling game on PC last year, and you can probably safely bet that the other highest selling games had high rates of piracy. Large amounts of piracy can be indicative of demand.

I wanna be clear, I'm not necessarily for or against piracy. I just think that maybe there is something to what some companies like CDPR are telling us.

maybe if CDPR had used Denuvo then W3 would have been the highest selling game of last year
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I value my principles first of all. DRM is cancer. With Denuvo you don't effectively own what you bought, this is a basic principle. If you wanna be a good slave boy to corporations like Valve, Ubi and SE, by all means do so.
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maybe if CDPR had used Denuvo then W3 would have been the highest selling game of last year
I don't believe that to be the case. I believe that a part of why they made as many sales as they did despite the game in general being somewhat less well received as W2 was because of their reputation as being PC gamer friendly due to avoiding DRM that many think harms legitimate buyers more than it effects piracy.

Really I think piracy is a much more complicated issue than to say 'oh pirates just want free **** cause they're entitled' or on the other side to outright say that piracy is better for business but it's hard to determine who piracy really affects the most and why it's actually happening or whether or not there may be valid reasons for it when the majority of discussion is just those 2 ends of the argument shouting at each other "you're wrong" "no, you're wrong".

Then there's DRM, some DRM's really have in the past proven to more negatively impact buyers than pirates, let's assume Denuvo is the answer to this, that it's good for the buyer and stops piracy, will that actually drive up sales? Or would people who previously considered pirating it find something else to do?

If they're entitled and just didn't want to pay for it, I think they probably still aren't going to want to pay for it, so they'll find another game.
If they're poor and couldn't pay for it, are they then going to pay for the game at a price that they had already determined they can't afford? No. They'll look for something else to do, and maybe a year or two later some of those people will pay for it during a big sale where they can get it for 1/10th of the original price, hardly making much of an impact on revenue.
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