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I did a OS reinstall (since my win10 was kinda full of crap). In the past i usually do a secure erase on the SSD before i install the OS. I did on samsung's SSD too. Using their DOS tool.

After reading the help area of magician software on how to "install" the font for the DOS tool, when i clicked "yes" to secure erase the SSD, i had a message that the SSD is in a frozen state. I know the "issue" with frozen state, because i had the exact same problem on my older intel 520's, there i've put my PC on sleep mode, and then i've detached the SATA DATA CABLES ONLY, from the SSD's, then i've resumed the PC from sleep mode, and i secure erased the ssd's just nice (using intel's toolbox).

Here on samsung i have the same thing - frozen state. The samsung DOS tool told how to do it. Said like this: Disconnect the SATA power cables. What means SATA power cableS (with big S, because it refers on two things).

First i've disconnected only the SATA DATA CABLE, and connected it again after a couple of seconds, reloaded the DOS tool, and had the same frozen state. Then i've disconnected BOTH, SATA data cable, and SATA power cable. Then it worked, i secure erased my SSD.

Question is: I did it right ? I mean there is no other way in secure erasing the SSD and not hitting the frozen stare warning , and not basically disconnect the SSD from the cables ? Because doing this i saw that in the SMART attributes that it increased the Power recovery count, right now i have number 2. One is because i did a sleep mode on the SSD, and the other one is when i disconnected the SATA power cable when i did the secure erase.
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I have a question. Actually, it's more of a statement: why are you trying to do this? Secure erasing is absolutely unnecessary for this! It's a waste of time. Just format the drive during the setup portion of the Windows installation. Formatting does one thing: it replaces the Master File Table with a blank one in the format that was specified (that's why it's called "formatting"). The only time you should Secure Erase a drive is when you're selling it or giving it away, etc.

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Yeah, but after a long use on reading and writing lots of stuff, i think its kinda necessary a secure erase, resetting the nand to factory defaults.
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post #4 of 39
Quote:
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Yeah, but after a long use on reading and writing lots of stuff, i think its kinda necessary a secure erase, resetting the nand to factory defaults.


It isn't.

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Yeah, but after a long use on reading and writing lots of stuff, i think its kinda necessary a secure erase, resetting the nand to factory defaults.

 

No, you don't have to worry. Just enjoy your SSD:

 

http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead

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Well if two gods tell me the same thing thumb.gif
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post #7 of 39

Hey, take it easy with that "gods" stuff. I'm just an unsophisticated dude who happens to know a couple of things. :)

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One more thing. Should i leave superfetch and prefetch ON ? Im using windows 10.
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post #9 of 39

Do whatever gives you the fastest performance. Like I said: http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead

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post #10 of 39
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Also, today i've passed 500gb of data written according to samsung magician. And i already have 1 Wear Leveling Count. That means that i've just passed 1 P/E Cycle ? The data written is 0.66TB

This means that when i will pass again, 500gb written, it will shot number 2, and so on ?

So basically TLC nand has 1.000 P/E's ?
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