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heh suit yourself. Maybe some day you will see why we are urging you to improve your airflow. A little bit of dust isn't going to hurt anything, and it's not hard to keep it clean.

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Yep smile.gif

Lately i've modded the fan (cuz on my card only one fan can be controlled through driver/bios) to have 1500 rotations in idle, and max 2300 rpm in load, starting at 72 degrees. This way (didnt tested too much, only about one hour in rise of the tomb raider), i saw that i got almost 75 degrees at about 90% gpu usage (since i use fps cap).

I hope next time when nvidia pascal and amd polaris launches, i hope the vendors will not implement again this crazy ass "feature" that the fans turn off in idle, its insane. I mean they turn off, the gpu starts to heat like about 45 degrees, when u enter a game, u already start it with a warm heatsink, thus until the fans start to cool it down, the heatsink will be overheating, increasing the temps.

its better to start a game with an already cool heatsink, like having 33 degrees in idle.
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Yep smile.gif

Lately i've modded the fan (cuz on my card only one fan can be controlled through driver/bios) to have 1500 rotations in idle, and max 2300 rpm in load, starting at 72 degrees. This way (didnt tested too much, only about one hour in rise of the tomb raider), i saw that i got almost 75 degrees at about 90% gpu usage (since i use fps cap).

I hope next time when nvidia pascal and amd polaris launches, i hope the vendors will not implement again this crazy ass "feature" that the fans turn off in idle, its insane. I mean they turn off, the gpu starts to heat like about 45 degrees, when u enter a game, u already start it with a warm heatsink, thus until the fans start to cool it down, the heatsink will be overheating, increasing the temps.

its better to start a game with an already cool heatsink, like having 33 degrees in idle.

 

Yeah well most people have a proper fan setup in their case.

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post #24 of 39
Since your main motivation is to keep dust out of your pc, I have a number of concerns with your implementation:

  • You mentioned having only one fan, which is set to exhaust.
  • You have cut an (unfiltered) opening into your side panel "to help push out hot air".

Since the only fan in your system is to exhaust air, you're creating negative pressure inside your case, meaning you're exhausting more air than is coming in.
It's generally agreed that positive pressussure combined with fan filters on the intake fans is the most efficient way to keep dust out of your system. Let me try to explain why below.

So, your rear fan is exhausting air, for the sake of argument let's say it's exhausting about 10 liters of air per minute.
Now, you have to ask yourself, there's 10 liters of air coming out of my case every minute. Where is that air coming from?
In a normal setup, the answer to that question would be that it's pulling the air in through all of the unfiltered nooks and crannies in your pc - the front grill where normally a fan would be mounted, gaps between your sidepanels and the case, even places like the expansion slot covers on the back of your case, seeing as they're usually perforated to allow some air to pass through.
The issue with this is that you have no control over where the air is coming from, and so it's impossible to keep the dust out of your system with something like a fan filter. The air moving into the system will be carrying along dust, and seeing as none of your intakes are filtered, it'll move into your system and stick to whatever it comes across.

Now, the reason I said that this is for a normal setup is that you cut a big gaping hole into the side of your case, thinking it'll help exhaust air from your system.
I'm not saying this won't help with case airflow, because it will, just not for the reason you thought when you made the hole. Since your case is dealing with a negative internal pressure when it comes to your fan config, the hole won't be exhausting air but instead pulling it in through there. Now, this'll be fresh air so it'll help cool down your internals, but it'll also have a (un)healthy portion of dust riding on it. So instead of making your dust problem better, it's actually making it worse.

What I would propose is this:

  • Add two fans to the front of your case, make sure they are filtered. You could either order some magnetic fan filters online, or if you're a fan of DIY solutions you could get some pantyhose and use that to filter the airflow coming into your case from the fans.
  • Patch up the hole in your side panel. This'll be less important once you add in the two extra fans in the front, but aesthetically speaking it looks a bit ghetto-rigged.

Now, what will change if you add the two fans to the front of your case, and set them to intake air?
Before you made this change you had 10 more liters of air leaving your case every minute than you had coming in. If you add two fans to the front that's 20 liters of air coming in. So the new result is that there's more air coming into the system than there is going out. Common sense would have you wondering, well if the negative pressure was bad, wouldn't positive pressure be equally bad?
The result would be the opposite of above: Instead of air looking to come into the case from every nook and cranny, the air is actually trying to escape through all of these holes (cause those 10 extra liters of air have to go somewhere).
Now, since you (hopefully) added filters of some description to the fans introducing air into the system, all of the air coming into the system will be (mostly) dustless. Sure, the extra air will leave the case through all of the same places I mentioned before, but that actually prevents dust from making its way into your case through all of the little holes and grills you don't have control over.
The result here is a way healthier airflow, and MUCH better dust control. Your temperatures will drop, your system will be cleaner, your components will live longer, and everyone's happy.

I'm very sorry for the editorial, by the way, but I just felt this needed some explaining, especially since your main quoted reason for only having one fan seemed to be dust control.

tl;dr: If dust is a concern negative pressure is bad, positive pressure is good. Make sure to filter your air intakes!
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post #25 of 39
Exactly. The rear exhaust fan is sucking air out. So, air is being sucked in through that giant gaping hole in your window, and it's also being sucked in through all of the other parts of your case that aren't airtight.

Pretend like your case is a balloon. In order to fill it (in order to have positive pressure), you need to have more air going in than is going out. If you have more air being sucked out than is being brought in (or if you have no intake fans), then you'll end up with a vacuum - which you have now. That means, all you're doing is sucking air AND DUST into your case.

Now, if your intake is greater than your exhaust, then you will be preventing air from getting sucked in through areas that aren't airtight and instead air will be exiting these spots. This is why you want a positive pressure and why you want your intake fans to be filtered: so that you are filling your balloon with filtered air, instead of sucking air out of it! You don't want to create a vacuum in your case. You want the opposite of a vacuum, and you want your intake fans to be filtered so that you are filtering out as much dust as possible.

Yes, dust will still get in there. You can't avoid that.

Also, you want your intake fans to have a good high static pressure so that they can push the air through the filters.
Edited by TwoCables - 2/3/16 at 4:51am
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And why you want some intake fans in the first place wink.gifthumb.gif
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OMG too much brainstorm.

1. I dont keep my hardware for life

2. My temps aren't in the critical area, so i dont care.

And i've used dust filters when the case was new, after some time dust was setting in, even with filters. And i tend to clean my PC, one time in 4 weeks...

So its cleaned almost all the time.

Temp on GPU right now is 74 on 1.25v, in tomb raider, almost hitting 95% usage all the time.

I passed the phase when i wanted to have a nice rig, now i just want performance, and dont care about temps too much, unless they are very high. Also dont have throttles in rig, so no performance is lost.
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OMG too much brainstorm.

1. I dont keep my hardware for life

2. My temps aren't in the critical area, so i dont care.

And i've used dust filters when the case was new, after some time there dust was setting in, even with filters. And i tend to clean my PC, one time in 4 weeks...

So its cleaned almost all the time.

You have one exhaust fan. This means that you are sucking air AND DUST into your case through every little NON-AIRTIGHT place that exists - including that giant hole you made. The only way to filter dust out would be to wrap your entire case in a giant stretchy airfilter, like a sack/bag for your entire case.

You say you're anal about dust, so you should have a greater intake than exhaust and your intake fans should be filtered. Period. By having just one fan as exhaust, all you're doing is sucking dust into your case 24/7. That includes that giant hole you made. I don't know why you think air is going OUT of that hole. It can't because you only have one fan and it's sucking air out of your case. You have a vacuum happening in your case, Calin. Think about it.
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Ah well, at least I tried wink.gif

To each his own, man, but I didn't type out an 800 word post trying to explain the entire process in order to insult you.

You had an issue with dust, and I proposed a solution, plain and simple.
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Ok guys thanks. Next time i will build a new rig with a new case, probably after skylake and probably after nvidia pascal, i will make it right. Now, i dont care, really, temps aren't huge (like 90 on gpu and 85 on cpu) . And i clean it often.
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