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Hi peeps,

Am undecided between these 2 radiators.

The Alphacool has an FPI of 10 and a depth of 60mm
The EK has an FPI of 16 and a depth of 45mm

I will be running 4 x GT AP-15 push/pull with shrouds on both ends connected to a fan controller.

Which will be the best performing radiator with fans at full speed.

Have not been able to find data with regards to my question.

Rest of the components with regards to my loop are in my sig.

Thanks

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So across the two English speaking premium forums with regards to watercooling on the Internets no one seems to be able to post any info regards the comparative performance of the EK-CoolStream CE 280mm against the UT60.

Looks like I am going to do a Google translate and goto the French and German speaking forums !

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** EDIT **

With little information coming from the communities here is my conclusion.

I will be going with the EK-Coolstream CE 280mm based on the research I have done over the last day or so with comparative analysis of the data that is available that I think is important for my current WC setup

Radiator | FPI | Tube Count

UT60 360mm | 10 | 12
EK XE 360mm | 15 | 14
UT60 280mm | 10 | 12*
EK CE 280mm | 16 | 14**

If we compare directly the UT60 360mm against the EK XE 360mm then the EK XE 360mm comes on top in almost everything performance related.

As long as your pump has good pressure, then the rad with more restriction has no tangible effect. The increased restriction of the EK rads is because they have more tubes.

* I couldnt find statistical data for the number of tubes the UT 280mm has but due to the fact that it is 60mm thickness and that the other Alphacool radiators are all low restriction i.e. less tubes I would guess that the tube count is the same as its other brothers i.e 12

** Again couldnt find statistical data for the number of tubes for the EK CE 280mm but again, considering that it is 45mm and its other brothers i.e. CE range have tube count greater than 14 I used that as the minimum value.

So based on the above, I believe that the EK CE 280mm will outperform the UT60 280mm because

1/ It has a higher FPI to counteract the loss of 15mm thickness
2/ It has more tubes to dissapate the heat through the fins to counteract the loss of 15mm thickness
3/ The EK XE 280mm easily outperforms the UT60 280mm

Ofcourse this is all based on the two assumptions made above i.e. * & ** and my evaluation of statistical data.

Hope this info is helpful to other!

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Edited by mongoled - 1/26/16 at 12:35am
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Fast Fate is in the process of doing some 280mm radiator testing and the CE 280 is definately included but I'm not sure about the UT60 280.

You can get some idea from these
http://www.xtremerigs.net/2015/10/06/ek-ce-420-radiator-review/5/
http://www.xtremerigs.net/2015/11/19/ek-coolstream-ce-140-radiator-review/5/

The CE compares quite well with the SR2 and Phobya G changer that are both thicker rads. The G changer is effectively nearly exactly the same rad as the UT60 as they are made in the same place with minor detail differences. (If those differences even still exist or if they have been since changed)

In the end just as with almost all rads the difference in the end result temps you will get with the different rads will be very small. You can realistically consider them to be equivalent and use other factors to choose between them like aesthetics, availability etc.
Edited by Jakusonfire - 1/26/16 at 12:38am
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post #4 of 8
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Originally Posted by Jakusonfire View Post

Fast Fate is in the process of doing some 280mm radiator testing and the CE 280 is definately included but I'm not sure about the UT60 280.

You can get some idea from these
http://www.xtremerigs.net/2015/10/06/ek-ce-420-radiator-review/5/
http://www.xtremerigs.net/2015/11/19/ek-coolstream-ce-140-radiator-review/5/

The CE compares quite well with the SR2 and Phobya G changer that are both thicker rads. The G changer is effectively nearly exactly the same rad as the UT60 as they are made in the same place with minor detail differences. (If those differences even still exist or if they have been since changed)

In the end just as with almost all rads the difference in the end result temps you will get with the different rads will be very small. You can realistically consider them to be equivalent and use other factors to choose between them like aesthetics, availability etc.
Hi!

Have been using that webpage for some of the statistical data, very good resource.

May drop a message to them to see if they have an expected ETA on publishing the CE 280mm review as really would like to place my order for a rad but would be good to have some confirmation on results.

You are entirely right regards the end temps but its just in me to want to get the best performance possible, hence the reason for all this research and analysis.

For some it may seem a waste of time, for me (and others) its part of the hobby!

Thanks for your input

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** EDIT **

Ive been informed from a very good source that the nexXxos UT60 + Monster 280mm are slightly ahead of the EK CE 280mm at push/pull 1850rpm so back to the UT60!
Edited by mongoled - 1/27/16 at 6:44am
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post #5 of 8
Just wondering if you made you purchase decision yet smile.gif
Our CE 280 review has been published which may help you out.
UT60 has been sent to Editor for final review before publishing - maybe tomorrow.
All up 8 x 280mm review are already published.
I just have the SR2 280 MP to write up at this point in time.

Good selection of thin, medium and thick 280mm rads.

Glad out info has been helpful thumb.gif
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Yes mate, made my purchase a while ago, check my sig

;-)

Your work is very informative and is highly appeciated, im sure many of us would be a little lost if it was not for work you and others do!

Have read all the reviews, had been checking in so am aware of them being published

:-)

Slightly off topic, am sure i read somewhere that Swiftech have a new CPU waterblock in the works, but cant for the life of me find the info.

errrr just found it

http://forums.swiftech.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=3445

Know anything regards to the Apogee SKF?

Thinking or getting the Heatkiller IV Pro Nickel or Raystorm Pro to replace my current block, but may be an idea to hold out for the SKF!

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HK IV topped our recent CPU block testing.
Raystorm Pro is a significant improvement over the previous Raystorm release.
Unfortunately Swiftech no longer sponsor us, one too many reviews published with test results that were unfavorable for their products.

UT60 280 review published earlier today - gold award issued for great balance of performance, features and price.
You made a great choice wink.gif
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HK IV topped our recent CPU block testing.
Raystorm Pro is a significant improvement over the previous Raystorm release.
Unfortunately Swiftech no longer sponsor us, one too many reviews published with test results that were unfavorable for their products.

UT60 280 review published earlier today - gold award issued for great balance of performance, features and price.
You made a great choice wink.gif
Sorry to hear that Swiftech have made such a poor choice,

Never good for a company to totally disreguard the few people who are activly reviewing there products.

Sounds like they are relying on marketing and price to sell !

A shame, is Gabe Newell still involved with them ?

You guys are fellow Aussies as well right ?

More of a shame.

Regards the SKF, sounds a little far fetched the 6C temp improvement that they have mentioned,

but you never know, as we dont know what 'baseline' is used for the basis of the 6C comment.

One thing is for sure, those fins really are closely packed and look awfully nice !

Just need to get some sort of ETA from someone, somewhere, so I can decide to wait or purchase an upgrade!

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