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Big Brother's excuses don't interest me. I don't use Spybook, Spy Space or even Google. Google is blocked so my phone does not send information to Google. I rarely post photos of myself online as I am not narcissistic, there are enough of those loons around, I don't need to add my ugly face to it. I do use Google search but only through a VPN and Startpage.com. I also use Duck Duck Go in the hope they are more private than Google.

 

The best thing about WinSpy is that not even the enterprise edition is safe. Ads and spying are prevalent there too.

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Oh, by the way. While all of you and your congressmen were getting ready for a delightful Christmas holiday, the executive branch of your government slipped CISA into a seemingly benign budget bill to renew spending for the 2016 year.

CISA, inexplicably sitting in this budget bill, makes it entirely legal for Microsoft and every single other company in America to tell you that they aren't gathering your information while they are in fact taking it and handing it directly over to the government.

That's legal now. Cortana can be off, reporting zero network or hardware usage, while collecting even more information than publicly stated.

What else? As long as they continue sharing that information with the government, they can use it on the free market. There's no stipulation about how else they use the personal data that they collect, so long as they do it in cooperation with the government's CISA program. What happens when the government doesn't feel like they're getting enough information? What happens when corporations don't comply, now? Do they lose their "free" market advantage?

They can lie to you about whether or not they are collecting it.
They can prevent you from finding out that they are collecting it.
They receive ambiguous, unrestricted benefits by sharing it with the government.
They receive the legal right to do it all without your consent or knowledge.
They are completely unrestricted in how else they use the data that the collected under these circumstances.

And yes, they can still lobby the government to strike a better deal.

If it's not illegal, I'm willing to bet they are doing it. In fact, it may be illegal for them not to do it. Corporations have a legal requirement to their shareholders, let's not forget. If I were part of the executive branch of Microsoft, you can bet your ass I'd be expanding my data collection and sales simultaneously with my government data sharing.
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If I were part of the executive branch of Microsoft, you can bet your ass I'd be expanding my data collection and sales simultaneously with my government data sharing.

Better to collect everything now and not need it all than collect only what you need now and realise you missed a monetisation opportunity.
    
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Microsoft spying....with option to turn off, and they tell u what they are spying, but still everybody panic

Google facebook spying even without telling u take everything they can without ur perm. Nobody give a damn.

what the heck wrong with these people? if they soo afraid of spying they should be taking they worries on google/facebook first.

Most people don't understand this issue. You, for instance, have no idea how this is intertwined with government and how our consent or knowledge are no longer legally required.
This is the kind of slippery slope all of us "tin-foiled hat conspiracy theorists" were talking about when we first found out the extent of corporate spying as the stories first started breaking.

The free market has been impacted in such a way, with the passing of CISA, that the government can effectively decide which corporation succeeds or fails in our economy based upon which of them are spying on you. Only by spying on you, can a corporation benefit from ambiguous, undefined and unrestricted "CISA benefits." They must spy in order to qualify.

As a corporation who has a legal obligation to it's shareholders, the choice is clear. Spy. Do it with or without the consent of your customers, sell it with or without the consent of your customers, and share it with the government with or without the consent of your customers. Because why? Because it's legal, and it will either give you an edge on your competitors or give them an edge on you.

People don't understand the gravity of these issues. We are no longer given an accurate, unbiased account of history. Our education system, also intertwined with government and special interests, fails to teach us about the historical failure of common people to prevent their governing bodies from incrementally degrading their resolve to remain free from oppression, generation by generation.
People fail to understand the intrinsic value of privacy because we're no longer aware of the looming threat that inevitably grows in it's absence. When presented with the reality of this circumstance, people generally treat it as a completely new and unlikely "conspiracy theory." Certainly, the entire known history of man, would be enough to sway someone in favor of privacy and the rights of the individual to remain free from the intents of their government?

No, of course not. You need to know history in order to prevent it from being repeated. And how many people are brushed up on history, other than the heavily idealized and watered-down account of it that's prevalent in our media and education system? Very few; I can tell you that from personal experience.

No, maybe most people don't care about privacy, while others are frothing at the mouth over the loss of it.

Perhaps this should prompt an interest, on your part, to find out why some of us care this much about our individual rights in contrast to the rights of the people who diminish them.
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Oh, by the way. While all of you and your congressmen were getting ready for a delightful Christmas holiday, the executive branch of your government slipped CISA into a seemingly benign budget bill to renew spending for the 2016 year.

CISA, inexplicably sitting in this budget bill, makes it entirely legal for Microsoft and every single other company in America to tell you that they aren't gathering your information while they are in fact taking it and handing it directly over to the government.

That's legal now. Cortana can be off, reporting zero network or hardware usage, while collecting even more information than publicly stated.

What else? As long as they continue sharing that information with the government, they can use it on the free market. There's no stipulation about how else they use the personal data that they collect, so long as they do it in cooperation with the government's CISA program. What happens when the government doesn't feel like they're getting enough information? What happens when corporations don't comply, now? Do they lose their "free" market advantage?

They can lie to you about whether or not they are collecting it.
They can prevent you from finding out that they are collecting it.
They receive ambiguous, unrestricted benefits by sharing it with the government.
They receive the legal right to do it all without your consent or knowledge.
They are completely unrestricted in how else they use the data that the collected under these circumstances.

And yes, they can still lobby the government to strike a better deal.

If it's not illegal, I'm willing to bet they are doing it. In fact, it may be illegal for them not to do it. Corporations have a legal requirement to their shareholders, let's not forget. If I were part of the executive branch of Microsoft, you can bet your ass I'd be expanding my data collection and sales simultaneously with my government data sharing.
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Most people don't understand this issue. You, for instance, have no idea how this is intertwined with government and how our consent or knowledge are no longer legally required.
This is the kind of slippery slope all of us "tin-foiled hat conspiracy theorists" were talking about when we first found out the extent of corporate spying as the stories first started breaking.

The free market has been impacted in such a way, with the passing of CISA, that the government can effectively decide which corporation succeeds or fails in our economy based upon which of them are spying on you. Only by spying on you, can a corporation benefit from ambiguous, undefined and unrestricted "CISA benefits." They must spy in order to qualify.

As a corporation who has a legal obligation to it's shareholders, the choice is clear. Spy. Do it with or without the consent of your customers, sell it with or without the consent of your customers, and share it with the government with or without the consent of your customers. Because why? Because it's legal, and it will either give you an edge on your competitors or give them an edge on you.

People don't understand the gravity of these issues. We are no longer given an accurate, unbiased account of history. Our education system, also intertwined with government and special interests, fails to teach us about the historical failure of common people to prevent their governing bodies from incrementally degrading their resolve to remain free from oppression, generation by generation.
People fail to understand the intrinsic value of privacy because we're no longer aware of the looming threat that inevitably grows in it's absence. When presented with the reality of this circumstance, people generally treat it as a completely new and unlikely "conspiracy theory." Certainly, the entire known history of man, would be enough to sway someone in favor of privacy and the rights of the individual to remain free from the intents of their government?

No, of course not. You need to know history in order to prevent it from being repeated. And how many people are brushed up on history, other than the heavily idealized and watered-down account of it that's prevalent in our media and education system? Very few; I can tell you that from personal experience.

No, maybe most people don't care about privacy, while others are frothing at the mouth over the loss of it.

Perhaps this should prompt an interest, on your part, to find out why some of us care this much about our individual rights in contrast to the rights of the people who diminish them.

Excellent posts, of which you have had quite a few lately. +rep
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I wish people would stop calling me "Nobody". I don't have a Google account and rarely use Google—even then, it's only Google Map—because of Google's nosiness. I also do not use social media for the same reason.

But, like with those you also have the option not to use Windows? Right? So, whats the problem exactly?
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But, like with those you also have the option not to use Windows? Right? So, whats the problem exactly?
What a pointless argument.

We're talking about privacy here. This isn't a topic to weigh in on lightly; it's about something as fundamental to freedom as free speech.

His problem, as even you must agree, is that we are fast approaching a point where you can't live a normal, productive, social, or even healthy life while preserving your inalienable human right to privacy. It's nearly impossible.

You can't even hold a corporation to their legally binding documents, because the government has made it entirely legal for them to lie to you about whether or not they are spying, so long as that spying is shared with the government.

You think the pressing issue is that he's showing somewhat of a bias by drawing the line at Windows? You want to bludgeon him for not isolating himself from the modern world, because he's speaking out against this in a community that he frequents? You'd prefer to see someone like this ditching their cellphone, PC, and laptop so they can go out on the street and protest alone and be considered a crazy person?

What exactly is the suggestion you're trying to make? From where I'm standing, it seems more like you're trying to rationalize your own denial by seeking to perpetuate it

This isn't a joke. Privacy is a cornerstone of freedom. It's being stifled at every turn by this belligerent notion.. this fabricated difference between a private conversation had in person versus over the internet. They tried to say telephones weren't private conversation too, and guess what happened? The people fought it and won. AT&T wasn't allowed to listen in, nor was your neighbor, nor was the government. Warrants were required to spy on private telephone conversations. Did the world end? No.

Should I need to stop using the internet to have a private conversation? No. Should I need to use land lines to have private conversations? No. Should I need to drag people back to my home and turn off all my electronics to have a private conversation? No.

You think he has a choice to stop using technologies that result in spying? You want to know his problem? His problem and mine is that there is no choice. You can look like a crazy, paranoid and probably dangerous person to have privacy, or let yourself be spied on. If you really believe that is a choice, you wouldn't be here trying so hard to convince yourself that it's okay. It clearly is not okay.
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No. Its not pointless. Theres OS X, theres tons of Linux distros out there. Go pick one, install it and be done with it. You got your privacy back (if you are naive to think they dont or wont do the same thing). At the moment people complain over Windows just for the sake of complaining.

Heck, install Kali and you will be as safe as it gets when it comes to OS. See, problem solved.
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Oh, by the way. While all of you and your congressmen were getting ready for a delightful Christmas holiday, the executive branch of your government slipped CISA into a seemingly benign budget bill to renew spending for the 2016 year.

CISA, inexplicably sitting in this budget bill, makes it entirely legal for Microsoft and every single other company in America to tell you that they aren't gathering your information while they are in fact taking it and handing it directly over to the government.

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What else? As long as they continue sharing that information with the government, they can use it on the free market. There's no stipulation about how else they use the personal data that they collect, so long as they do it in cooperation with the government's CISA program. What happens when the government doesn't feel like they're getting enough information? What happens when corporations don't comply, now? Do they lose their "free" market advantage?

They can lie to you about whether or not they are collecting it.
They can prevent you from finding out that they are collecting it.
They receive ambiguous, unrestricted benefits by sharing it with the government.
They receive the legal right to do it all without your consent or knowledge.
They are completely unrestricted in how else they use the data that the collected under these circumstances.

And yes, they can still lobby the government to strike a better deal.

If it's not illegal, I'm willing to bet they are doing it. In fact, it may be illegal for them not to do it. Corporations have a legal requirement to their shareholders, let's not forget. If I were part of the executive branch of Microsoft, you can bet your ass I'd be expanding my data collection and sales simultaneously with my government data sharing.

^This!!

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First of all, he did not insult you in any way. To be perfectly honest, your attitude towards his post and lack of any respect for it is what could be passed as insulting.

And second of all, I do not see him making a fool out of himself. You, on the other hand...

Comparing me to his 5 year old, sure.

You may think what you wish.

I already said, people complain just for the sake of complaining about Windows already. There are plenty of options if you are afraid of your privacy be it from the gov or from companies. I dont need some walls of texts to understand that.

If you or him have hard time to understand that, there is not much I can do to change your opinion about that.

For example,

http://www.engadget.com/2016/01/21/android-22-billion-in-profit-oracle/

Since Google doesnt sell Android, guess where they earned that money from? Cant see anyone complaining about that. Quite sure a lot of people here do use Android or any other smartphone.

So what you are saying is that we shouldn't use a phone because they are spied upon. Any OS can also be spied upon so no computers and no internet. Pigeons and ravens used to be shot down so they are also not very good means of communication. People talking can be overheard, letters can be opened. So useless too. Anyone you talk to can betray what you say. Your counter arguments to his concern about privacy is basically double think, double speak and promoting 1984.

 

You have no clue what you are talking about. Instead of insulting him and belittling him why don't you go read up on the Stasi and their secret army of volunteer snitches.

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