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And like I did with the first post you did the same with mine. Just glance by and make your decisions on that.

"I have no idea..." heh. Always a good argument.

My issue is not his privacy concerns as they are valid. But instead of rambling on about it, give people (who dont know already) how to fix those concerns.
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Comparing me to his 5 year old, sure.

He said that he was explaining the issue in a way similar to how he would explain to his five-year-old. This is not an insult. Rather, it means that he was trying to explain a complex issue in simple terms so that you (who are not as familiar with the subject) would understand his point of view and engage in a proper discussion. Discussing a complex issue in complex terms is only worthwhile when all parties are familiar with it, otherwise it amounts to little more than grandstanding.
    
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Microsoft spying....with option to turn off, and they tell u what they are spying, but still everybody panic

Google facebook spying even without telling u take everything they can without ur perm. Nobody give a damn.

what the heck wrong with these people? if they soo afraid of spying they should be taking they worries on google/facebook first.

Desktop vs mobile principles i guess.


if there was a decent opensource alternative ( Andriod isn't really these days and its got more holes than a dart board ) there might be people who would actually be able to take the alternative decisions you are talking about. People are pissed at google and apple for the data collection ( aswell as the email providers mentioned ) there just isn't anything anyone can do about it apart from not have a phone .. which is pretty awkward ( but not impossible ) but a to include the desktop PC in the mining is something people can do without.

The argument shouldn't be no phone/pc/tablet vs phone/pc/tablet. The argument should be protected phone/pc/tablet vs unprotected harvesting. The technology isn't readily easy to get hold of and the general consumers knowledge of content filtering ideas is limited to adblock at the most.


Facebook though .. yea people are dumb if they think they have any kind of rights on that platform.
Edited by Pip Boy - 1/26/16 at 3:11am
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He said that he was explaining the issue in a way similar to how he would explain to his five-year-old. This is not an insult. Rather, it means that he was trying to explain a complex issue in simple terms so that you (who are not as familiar with the subject) would understand his point of view and engage in a proper discussion. Discussing a complex issue in complex terms is only worthwhile when all parties are familiar with it, otherwise it amounts to little more than grandstanding.

I understood his issue. But the issue didnt have any solution for it (which there are plenty already - at least for OS levels) which would be nice to provide I assume.

Although, I apologize that I didnt read the whole text and went on a rant before. Ill admit that. redface.gif
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Mods may as well make a Windows hate thread and just update it. It's the same people posting the same tired arguments over and over again.. We get it, MS are evil, Valve, Google, Apple, etc, are fine.

There are privacy concerns, but misquoting, using hyperbolic statements to turn a mole hill into a mountain, and sometimes articles flat out lying, do nothing but hurt the credibility of valid issues. You aren't "safe" or private no matter what platform you're on, but use Linux if it makes you feel better. This whole thing reminds me of the-"macs can't get viruses" nonsense.
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Mods may as well make a Windows hate thread and just update it. It's the same people posting the same tired arguments over and over again.. We get it, MS are evil, Valve, Google, Apple, etc, are fine.

There are privacy concerns, but misquoting, using hyperbolic statements to turn a mole hill into a mountain, and sometimes articles flat out lying, do nothing but hurt the credibility of valid issues. You aren't "safe" or private no matter what platform you're on, but use Linux if it makes you feel better. This whole thing reminds me of the-"macs can't get viruses" nonsense.

You know, I was about to post everything again, but this is absolutely pointless because several days later just the next guy is going to make the same exaggerated statement.

First of all, not all of us use Apple, Google, nor Valve.
Second, you cannot compare their application level software and their small ecosystems to what Windows has become, with its proprietary protocols, APIs, drivers and software combined with its market share.

For example, while iPhones tend to claim ~15% of the smartphone market, Windows takes over 90% of the PC market. This has forced many developer to focus their efforts into building their Software for Windows alone.

It is a bit unfair when you are forced to choose between doing your job and bringing food to your family's table and not sacrificing your privacy data, don't you think?

There is also another factor in play here - most the power users are aware of these issues and free to make a choice. But a massive piece of the involved demographic do not know what Linux is, nor are they aware of their data hand-off that is happening right now.

Furthermore, old Windows versions, along with many other services (including Steam, since you mentioned valve), can be forbidden from sniffing around your computer and transmitting data. And when configured so, they would actually stop, unlike W10.

So please refrain from extreme conclusions in the likes of "MS are evil for doing it but Apple, Google and Facebook are forgiven".
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Mods may as well make a Windows hate thread and just update it. It's the same people posting the same tired arguments over and over again.. We get it, MS are evil, Valve, Google, Apple, etc, are fine.

So far nobody has made that argument in this thread. Perhaps you need to read the thread instead of posting the same tired rhetoric.
    
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Tone it down, please, guys... some of the stuff so far is really pushing it.
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Most people don't understand this issue. You, for instance, have no idea how this is intertwined with government and how our consent or knowledge are no longer legally required.
This is the kind of slippery slope all of us "tin-foiled hat conspiracy theorists" were talking about when we first found out the extent of corporate spying as the stories first started breaking.

The free market has been impacted in such a way, with the passing of CISA, that the government can effectively decide which corporation succeeds or fails in our economy based upon which of them are spying on you. Only by spying on you, can a corporation benefit from ambiguous, undefined and unrestricted "CISA benefits." They must spy in order to qualify.

As a corporation who has a legal obligation to it's shareholders, the choice is clear. Spy. Do it with or without the consent of your customers, sell it with or without the consent of your customers, and share it with the government with or without the consent of your customers. Because why? Because it's legal, and it will either give you an edge on your competitors or give them an edge on you.

People don't understand the gravity of these issues. We are no longer given an accurate, unbiased account of history. Our education system, also intertwined with government and special interests, fails to teach us about the historical failure of common people to prevent their governing bodies from incrementally degrading their resolve to remain free from oppression, generation by generation.
People fail to understand the intrinsic value of privacy because we're no longer aware of the looming threat that inevitably grows in it's absence. When presented with the reality of this circumstance, people generally treat it as a completely new and unlikely "conspiracy theory." Certainly, the entire known history of man, would be enough to sway someone in favor of privacy and the rights of the individual to remain free from the intents of their government?

No, of course not. You need to know history in order to prevent it from being repeated. And how many people are brushed up on history, other than the heavily idealized and watered-down account of it that's prevalent in our media and education system? Very few; I can tell you that from personal experience.

No, maybe most people don't care about privacy, while others are frothing at the mouth over the loss of it.

Perhaps this should prompt an interest, on your part, to find out why some of us care this much about our individual rights in contrast to the rights of the people who diminish them.

Excellent post!!
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Whatever, I've been through these same arguments in the other dozen threads, then it gets closed and the next day another one pops up, it's pointless arguing about this.

I'll just say that going after one corporation while ignoring the others is useless, change starts from the top, change the government and corporations couldn't get away with what they do. Even if MS ceased their "spying", the government would force them to spy in other ways, and they probably do already, on every OS out there.

What OS are we truly "private" on? Even if some of you could name one you know for a fact hasn't been compromised, what's the point when the other hundreds of services and application we use spy on us anyway? We all have our different points of views, I'll keep blaming governments, and you guys can keep blaming a corporation, that wants to make money, and won't stop unless they're made to. To each their own.
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