Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Software News › [ComputerWorld] With Cortana, Microsoft is “scroogled” in new Windows 10 spyware scare
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[ComputerWorld] With Cortana, Microsoft is “scroogled” in new Windows 10 spyware scare - Page 4

post #31 of 103
Quote:
Originally Posted by fragamemnon View Post

You know, I was about to post everything again, but this is absolutely pointless because several days later just the next guy is going to make the same exaggerated statement.

First of all, not all of us use Apple, Google, nor Valve.
Second, you cannot compare their application level software and their small ecosystems to what Windows has become, with its proprietary protocols, APIs, drivers and software combined with its market share.

For example, while iPhones tend to claim ~15% of the smartphone market, Windows takes over 90% of the PC market. This has forced many developer to focus their efforts into building their Software for Windows alone.

It is a bit unfair when you are forced to choose between doing your job and bringing food to your family's table and not sacrificing your privacy data, don't you think?

There is also another factor in play here - most the power users are aware of these issues and free to make a choice. But a massive piece of the involved demographic do not know what Linux is, nor are they aware of their data hand-off that is happening right now.

Furthermore, old Windows versions, along with many other services (including Steam, since you mentioned valve), can be forbidden from sniffing around your computer and transmitting data. And when configured so, they would actually stop, unlike W10.

So please refrain from extreme conclusions in the likes of "MS are evil for doing it but Apple, Google and Facebook are forgiven".

While I tend to agree with most of the stuff, iPhone was a bad choice to pick.

According to google there are 1.4 billion active android devices. I'm quite sure developers care about that as much as Windows. Heck, even Microsoft cares with their Office.

Like I already linked before, android has brought in 22 billion for Google and most of it with ads that are being tracked within apps as well (since this topic is about mail).

Now, since someone argued that you need to stop using and shooting crows and what not, no. You don't. That's one way to deal with it, that was my point. The other way to deal with it is to secure your device by any means needed. For example, I've thought of buying black phone but haven't got to it yet. Same goes for hardware firewall. My personal email and hard drives are encrypted though.

There are means to do what is needed, that was my first point. Sorry for not saying it like that in the first place. Either one wants to do it is up to everyone themselves.
AMD
(13 items)
 
Intel
(7 items)
 
Home Server
(11 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD FX-8350 Asus M5A99FX Pro MSI Radeon R9-280x MSI Radeon R9-280x 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial Ballistics 8GB DDR3 Cruical MX100 128GB SSD Samsung DVD-RW Cooler Master Hyper Evo 212 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 Technical Preview Philips 55PFS6909/12 Logitech MX3200 Chieftec 750W 
Mouse
Khaos Limited Edition 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-4200U ACER BA50 AMD HD8750M 4GB DDR3 
Hard DriveOSMonitor
750GB HDD Windows 10 TP 15,6" 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
AMD Opteron 2373EE AMD Opteron 2373EE Dell Socket Fr5 XGI® Z9s with 32MB DDRII VRAM 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
32GB DDRII ECC 1TB HDD 7200rpm N/A Passive 
OSPowerCase
Ubuntu Server 600W Dell PowerEdge CS24-NV7 
  hide details  
Reply
AMD
(13 items)
 
Intel
(7 items)
 
Home Server
(11 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD FX-8350 Asus M5A99FX Pro MSI Radeon R9-280x MSI Radeon R9-280x 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial Ballistics 8GB DDR3 Cruical MX100 128GB SSD Samsung DVD-RW Cooler Master Hyper Evo 212 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 Technical Preview Philips 55PFS6909/12 Logitech MX3200 Chieftec 750W 
Mouse
Khaos Limited Edition 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-4200U ACER BA50 AMD HD8750M 4GB DDR3 
Hard DriveOSMonitor
750GB HDD Windows 10 TP 15,6" 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
AMD Opteron 2373EE AMD Opteron 2373EE Dell Socket Fr5 XGI® Z9s with 32MB DDRII VRAM 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
32GB DDRII ECC 1TB HDD 7200rpm N/A Passive 
OSPowerCase
Ubuntu Server 600W Dell PowerEdge CS24-NV7 
  hide details  
Reply
post #32 of 103
wow some on is paranoide
post #33 of 103
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rustynails View Post

wow some on is paranoide

some on are, and some on aren't wink.gif

but check out Poland at the moment. Its like a fast forwarded version of where other nations could go.
post #34 of 103
How much do all these features affect performance? If you could completely remove them from the OS, would there be a noticeable difference?
post #35 of 103
Quote:
Originally Posted by xxpenguinxx View Post

How much do all these features affect performance? If you could completely remove them from the OS, would there be a noticeable difference?

Doubt that's even possible.
AMD
(13 items)
 
Intel
(7 items)
 
Home Server
(11 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD FX-8350 Asus M5A99FX Pro MSI Radeon R9-280x MSI Radeon R9-280x 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial Ballistics 8GB DDR3 Cruical MX100 128GB SSD Samsung DVD-RW Cooler Master Hyper Evo 212 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 Technical Preview Philips 55PFS6909/12 Logitech MX3200 Chieftec 750W 
Mouse
Khaos Limited Edition 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-4200U ACER BA50 AMD HD8750M 4GB DDR3 
Hard DriveOSMonitor
750GB HDD Windows 10 TP 15,6" 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
AMD Opteron 2373EE AMD Opteron 2373EE Dell Socket Fr5 XGI® Z9s with 32MB DDRII VRAM 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
32GB DDRII ECC 1TB HDD 7200rpm N/A Passive 
OSPowerCase
Ubuntu Server 600W Dell PowerEdge CS24-NV7 
  hide details  
Reply
AMD
(13 items)
 
Intel
(7 items)
 
Home Server
(11 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD FX-8350 Asus M5A99FX Pro MSI Radeon R9-280x MSI Radeon R9-280x 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial Ballistics 8GB DDR3 Cruical MX100 128GB SSD Samsung DVD-RW Cooler Master Hyper Evo 212 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 Technical Preview Philips 55PFS6909/12 Logitech MX3200 Chieftec 750W 
Mouse
Khaos Limited Edition 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-4200U ACER BA50 AMD HD8750M 4GB DDR3 
Hard DriveOSMonitor
750GB HDD Windows 10 TP 15,6" 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
AMD Opteron 2373EE AMD Opteron 2373EE Dell Socket Fr5 XGI® Z9s with 32MB DDRII VRAM 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
32GB DDRII ECC 1TB HDD 7200rpm N/A Passive 
OSPowerCase
Ubuntu Server 600W Dell PowerEdge CS24-NV7 
  hide details  
Reply
post #36 of 103
Quote:
Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

So Microsoft is doing what Yahoo Mail, Hotmail (Outlook.com now, and a MS product), and Google G-mail have been doing since their birth. Oh, except for this part that was left out...
Which is not what Google does, they actively scan your e-mails to market to you. Happens to be how I saved about 60% off my Kitchen Aid Pro series lift bowl mixer. Google knew I had been looking, and when a huge sale came up, they alerted me.

That said;

These Windows 10, trash tier, hit pieces are getting old and are amounting to nothing but forum spam.


Couldn't have said it better.
My Poor Wallet
(15 items)
 
 
Home Server
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 4790k GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-Gaming 7 EVGA GTX 970 SC G Skill Sniper 16gb 1866 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Kingston SSDNow 120gb M.2 WD RE2 400 gig 10k RPM HP dvd1260 Noctua NH-D14 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 Pro 3X AOC I2269VW Razer Blackwidow EVGA 850w 
CaseMouse
Fractal Design R4 Window Razer DeathAdder 3.5G 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 4770HQ Apple Logicboard Intel Iris Pro 16 GB DDR3 1600MHz 
Hard DriveOSMonitorMouse
256GB SSD OS X 10.11.3 15.4"  Trackpad 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
Intel Xeon L5640 Intel Xeon L5640 SuperMicro X8DTL Integrated  
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
24GB ECC DDR3 480GB SanDisk Extreme SSD Dynatron 1366 Cooler ESXi 
PowerCase
Corsair TX650 V2 Rosewill RSV-4000 
  hide details  
Reply
My Poor Wallet
(15 items)
 
 
Home Server
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 4790k GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-Gaming 7 EVGA GTX 970 SC G Skill Sniper 16gb 1866 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Kingston SSDNow 120gb M.2 WD RE2 400 gig 10k RPM HP dvd1260 Noctua NH-D14 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 Pro 3X AOC I2269VW Razer Blackwidow EVGA 850w 
CaseMouse
Fractal Design R4 Window Razer DeathAdder 3.5G 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 4770HQ Apple Logicboard Intel Iris Pro 16 GB DDR3 1600MHz 
Hard DriveOSMonitorMouse
256GB SSD OS X 10.11.3 15.4"  Trackpad 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
Intel Xeon L5640 Intel Xeon L5640 SuperMicro X8DTL Integrated  
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
24GB ECC DDR3 480GB SanDisk Extreme SSD Dynatron 1366 Cooler ESXi 
PowerCase
Corsair TX650 V2 Rosewill RSV-4000 
  hide details  
Reply
post #37 of 103
Quote:
Originally Posted by MadRabbit View Post

I understood his issue. But the issue didnt have any solution for it (which there are plenty already - at least for OS levels) which would be nice to provide I assume.

Although, I apologize that I didnt read the whole text and went on a rant before. Ill admit that. redface.gif
I appreciate that.

The only true solution is to prevent the government from participating in and legalizing spying without consent. That's the stance most people rest on after investing a good deal of time digesting the implications of all this.
Quote:
Originally Posted by xxpenguinxx View Post

How much do all these features affect performance? If you could completely remove them from the OS, would there be a noticeable difference?
Not terribly, it seems. With Cortana disabled and without encountering any crashes or issues, it still uploaded about 50MB of who knows what on my system in a 24 hour period while using minor CPU power and an average of 75MB RAM. Clean install of 10.

Not much different than your typical spyware.
Edited by Mookster - 1/26/16 at 9:09am
Trash Box
(15 items)
 
 
G73JH-A1
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 980x @ 4.4GHz Asus P6X58D-E Gigabyte 8GB GTX 1070 G1 Gaming 24GB Corsair Dominators 1600MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveMonitorKeyboard
2x256GB C300's R0 1TB Samsung 850 Pro ASUS MG279Q, Catleap Q270 G19 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair AX1200 Silverstone RV-02 G9x 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD 965BE 125W Asus M4A77D Asus 5770 Cucore 4GB Kingston 800MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSKeyboard
2x750GB Seagates 22x LG DVD-RW w7 Ultimate 64-bit  G15 
PowerCase
Antec Earthwatts 430W 80+ Antec New Solution NSK6580B 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
720QM AsusTek Mobility HD5870 8GB Kingston 1600MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
256GB C300/500GB Seagate Bluray Combo w7 Ultimate 64-bit 17'' 1080P 
Case
G73JH-A1 
  hide details  
Reply
Trash Box
(15 items)
 
 
G73JH-A1
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 980x @ 4.4GHz Asus P6X58D-E Gigabyte 8GB GTX 1070 G1 Gaming 24GB Corsair Dominators 1600MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveMonitorKeyboard
2x256GB C300's R0 1TB Samsung 850 Pro ASUS MG279Q, Catleap Q270 G19 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair AX1200 Silverstone RV-02 G9x 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD 965BE 125W Asus M4A77D Asus 5770 Cucore 4GB Kingston 800MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSKeyboard
2x750GB Seagates 22x LG DVD-RW w7 Ultimate 64-bit  G15 
PowerCase
Antec Earthwatts 430W 80+ Antec New Solution NSK6580B 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
720QM AsusTek Mobility HD5870 8GB Kingston 1600MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
256GB C300/500GB Seagate Bluray Combo w7 Ultimate 64-bit 17'' 1080P 
Case
G73JH-A1 
  hide details  
Reply
post #38 of 103
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cakewalk_S View Post

What's Cortana? How do you even pronounce that? lol I disable it on all my windows 10 machines...No thanks, Siri and Alexa is enough for me. thumb.gif

eek.gif You don't know who Cortana is? Cortana is an A.I in the Halo series who is Master Chief's companion. I guess you never played the Halo games.

Microsoft have taken the name of Cortana for their own personal assistant in Windows 10.
post #39 of 103
Quote:
Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

So Microsoft is doing what Yahoo Mail, Hotmail (Outlook.com now, and a MS product), and Google G-mail have been doing since their birth. Oh, except for this part that was left out...
Which is not what Google does, they actively scan your e-mails to market to you. Happens to be how I saved about 60% off my Kitchen Aid Pro series lift bowl mixer. Google knew I had been looking, and when a huge sale came up, they alerted me.

That said;

These Windows 10, trash tier, hit pieces are getting old and are amounting to nothing but forum spam.

Yup! Absolutely. People need to stop complaining about how invasive Windows 10 is and realize how invasive Apple and Android are. Then we can show you that Microsoft isn't breaking any rules that haven't already been crossed by so many other companies. Even then, Google scans emails too, and hell they caught a child molester attempting to hook up with some youngster! So... I say if it helps everyone out, why not let them scan away?

Makes me feel better knowing that Microsoft is keeping an eye on everything on top of everyone else.
     
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-6300HQ Dell Proprietary 4GB Nvidia GTX 960M Samsung 12GB (1x8GB 1x4GB) DDR3L 1600 MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
256GB SanDisk M.2 SSD 1TB HGST 7.2k HDD Custom Cooling by Dell Solutions Windows 10 Home 64-Bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerMouse
15.6" 1920x1080 IPS Screen Dell 130w PSU Logitech G602 Wireless 
Mouse Pad
Xtrac 'Ripper' Mouse Pad 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-2760QM Toshiba Qosmio X775 Nvidia 1.5GB GTX 560M 8GB DDR3 1333 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
120GB Samsung 830 SSD + 1TB HGST 7200RPM HDD CD/DVD-RW Stock Windows 10 Home 64-Bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerMouse
17.3" - 1600x900 Standard backlit 180w Power Adapter Logitech G500s 
Audio
Harmon/Kardon Onboard 
  hide details  
Reply
     
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-6300HQ Dell Proprietary 4GB Nvidia GTX 960M Samsung 12GB (1x8GB 1x4GB) DDR3L 1600 MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
256GB SanDisk M.2 SSD 1TB HGST 7.2k HDD Custom Cooling by Dell Solutions Windows 10 Home 64-Bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerMouse
15.6" 1920x1080 IPS Screen Dell 130w PSU Logitech G602 Wireless 
Mouse Pad
Xtrac 'Ripper' Mouse Pad 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-2760QM Toshiba Qosmio X775 Nvidia 1.5GB GTX 560M 8GB DDR3 1333 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
120GB Samsung 830 SSD + 1TB HGST 7200RPM HDD CD/DVD-RW Stock Windows 10 Home 64-Bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerMouse
17.3" - 1600x900 Standard backlit 180w Power Adapter Logitech G500s 
Audio
Harmon/Kardon Onboard 
  hide details  
Reply
post #40 of 103
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post

Or I can stay with Win 7 and block as much of the snooping as possible, which is what I'm doing. Win 7 and Office 2010 are the last M$ products I'll ever use. I had planned on switching to Linux after Win 7's EOL and running Win 7 in a VM isolated from the internet for my programs that will not run in Linux but, the way M$ is misbehaving, I may not wait that long.
Apparently, young pups like you are too young to remember the days when one's personal privacy was a sacred concept and, thus, do not value it. I do not want my personal life exposed to the entire world, which could be abused or used to rob me of my finances and property, destroy the credit rating I worked hard to achieve, destroy my personal freedoms, threaten my life, etc. The country I live in was founded on the concept of personal freedoms, including the freedom to privacy, making the actions of the current government to the allow, and contribute to, the abrogation of those freedoms both ironic and abominable.

Quite frankly Im old enough to remember such a thing and outside of nostalgia it never was as you are describing in (at least not in our lifetimes, unless you are quite old). Bottom line is that for anyone that lives in the modern world or ever goes out into public, that level of privacy simply doesnt exist. I understand the frustration with many services these days and their built in data collection and data scanning capabilities, but it is at such commonplace that it really isnt feasible for someone to avoid it. Nearly every software service that one uses has this built into it. The notion that for whatever reason a PC based OS is different doesnt seem to make much sense. If I was overly worried about privacy issues than my cellphone, email account, or work pc (hell even my car) would be a considerably larger concern than my home pc.

The only thing I disagree with is the notion of criticizing MS for behavior that everyone is subject to. If people really wanted to have a relevant discussion over the topic it seems much better suited to create an actual thread that discusses it, rather than the weekly Windows 10 spying conspiracy.
Legion
(20 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
1920x MSI Gaming Carbon Pro Titan Xp Corsair DDR4 Vengeance 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
WD 2TB HDD SanDisk 250GB SSD Samsung 1TB SSD Artic Cooling 240mm AIO 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Windows 10 PRO Samsung 55" 4k Curved LED Dell 24"  LG 32" 1080p TV 
KeyboardPowerCaseAudio
Drevo Mechanical  Thermaltake 850w NZXT 530 Schiit Magni 2 and Modi 2 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Sennheiser 6xx Beyerdynamic 880 PRO AudioTechnica ATH-M50x Fostex THx00 Purple Heart 
  hide details  
Reply
Legion
(20 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
1920x MSI Gaming Carbon Pro Titan Xp Corsair DDR4 Vengeance 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
WD 2TB HDD SanDisk 250GB SSD Samsung 1TB SSD Artic Cooling 240mm AIO 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Windows 10 PRO Samsung 55" 4k Curved LED Dell 24"  LG 32" 1080p TV 
KeyboardPowerCaseAudio
Drevo Mechanical  Thermaltake 850w NZXT 530 Schiit Magni 2 and Modi 2 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Sennheiser 6xx Beyerdynamic 880 PRO AudioTechnica ATH-M50x Fostex THx00 Purple Heart 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Software News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Software News › [ComputerWorld] With Cortana, Microsoft is “scroogled” in new Windows 10 spyware scare