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Um I didn't say that quote?
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So Microsoft is doing what Yahoo Mail, Hotmail (Outlook.com now, and a MS product), and Google G-mail have been doing since their birth. Oh, except for this part that was left out...

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The email scanning is completed locally so no data is sent to Microsoft's servers until you agree.

Which is not what Google does, they actively scan your e-mails to market to you. Happens to be how I saved about 60% off my Kitchen Aid Pro series lift bowl mixer. Google knew I had been looking, and when a huge sale came up, they alerted me.

That said;

These Windows 10, trash tier, hit pieces are getting old and are amounting to nothing but forum spam.

first, nice purchase. thumb.gif

and i'll agree that it damned silly think any web based email is private however:
Under Pressure Of Lawsuits, Google Says It Will Stop Reading Students’ Emails (Updated)

that said, i would think one could have a higher expectation of privacy on POP3, no?
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When did anyone seriously think they had privacy on the internet?
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For me, I'd like to keep these threads open because in addition to providing information about W10 "features" aka data hoarding methods, im always amazed at

the number of times posters are capable of spitting out the same knee-jerk response in the form of "but Facebook does it too", bank doesn't have more private data than my pc lol *** that's just dumb
or how people "hate these w10 threads" but are always among the first to reply with the same "i hate these w10 threads",
or how some posters feel the need to filibuster on and on about obscure spying techniques in response to the simple, age old right to privacy
or the "don't like it, don't use it response" which is kind of hard since the majority of developers that put out useful software do so with mostly windows in mind

it's all so entertaining
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Um I didn't say that quote?

Sorry, quote edit fail. frown.gif
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Because they are identical in this discussion. They are both products which we sign an EULA to use and both are platforms into which we place much of our data and trust. Similarly, the government puts pressure on them equally to release this data to them. If you like, see my post on the previous page about why the companies aren't even the important part of the overarching issue here.

Your Avatar is this threads Mascot.

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You own an ISP, right? You, if anyone, should know how much data is getting sent to Microsoft and through what avenues. Given that you have that level of knowledge, do you go out of your way to block it? I imagine the data is encrypted so it can't be read to see what's in there... Just a general question...

That being said. I love Windows 10. I've enjoyed it since install. I bet it knows all about me, but frankly... I don't really care. Every device I own knows all about me. That's the direction of the world.
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Well, this thread became as glorious as expected. Nothing but uninformed users showing extreme paranoia.

To Lady; Google Maps harvests a massive amount of data. You can't sit there and scream doom and gloom, as you have in many threads, and then say you use Google Maps...

You don't know me so you have no business making broad generalizations about me, especially since you are dead wrong. The only data Google maps gets from me is the locations I have looked up, which isn't very often and are rarely ones I actually go to; it's pretty much useless to them. I use my mailing address instead of my home address when getting directions. Your "argument" holds no water.
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...Further, do you use a cell phone? Yes? OK, "they" have all they "need" on you already..

No they do not. My three cell phones are not "smart" phones, they do not "know" where I live, and are paid for from accounts reserved for paying bills over the internet. The one I just got is actually a cellular phone transceiver that connects to my "landline" phones made putting down a physical address optional; I opted not to provide one. Both the new pay as you go phone account and the one that is replacing the old one only have my mailing address, which is not the same as my home address. Both are (were, I'm closing one of them) paid for with various accounts reserved for paying bills over the internet so any data they could glean from them would useless to them.

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If you wired various capacitors throughout your house could you hide some of the fingerprints?

Only if they are flux capacitors.
     
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You don't know me so you have no business making broad generalizations about me, especially since you are dead wrong. The only data Google maps gets from me is the locations I have looked up, which isn't very often and are rarely ones I actually go to; it's pretty much useless to them. I use my mailing address instead of my home address when getting directions. Your "argument" holds no water.
No they do not. My three cell phones are not "smart" phones, they do not "know" where I live, and are paid for from accounts reserved for paying bills over the internet. The one I just got is actually a cellular phone transceiver that connects to my "landline" phones made putting down a physical address optional; I opted not to provide one. Both the new pay as you go phone account and the one that is replacing the old one only have my mailing address, which is not the same as my home address. Both are (were, I'm closing one of them) paid for with various accounts reserved for paying bills over the internet so any data they could glean from them would useless to them.

Enjoy your crow.

I love how you think you're some kind of obscure user of the internet. You think that you're hidden from companies, or the government, or from anyone that wants to find you. You think that your 'dumb phone' can't be used against you.

Yet you have an electric bill, , you have internet service, you have a bank account, you have a job or you receive money of some sort. You may have claimed to not use social media, but here you are on an internet forum. You have a digital profile. You are not obscure or hidden from anyone. Oh, and you live in a building of some type. You either rent or you own; even with a paid off mortgage, someone knows who the hell you are and where the hell you live.

If someone wants to go off the grid and truly be private then they need to disconnect entirely, sell everything and make their way into northern Siberia or the Yukon.
Edited by Dienz - 1/26/16 at 6:21pm
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You don't know me so you have no business making broad generalizations about me, especially since you are dead wrong. The only data Google maps gets from me is the locations I have looked up, which isn't very often and are rarely ones I actually go to; it's pretty much useless to them. I use my mailing address instead of my home address when getting directions. Your "argument" holds no water.
No they do not. My three cell phones are not "smart" phones, they do not "know" where I live, and are paid for from accounts reserved for paying bills over the internet. The one I just got is actually a cellular phone transceiver that connects to my "landline" phones made putting down a physical address optional; I opted not to provide one. Both the new pay as you go phone account and the one that is replacing the old one only have my mailing address, which is not the same as my home address. Both are (were, I'm closing one of them) paid for with various accounts reserved for paying bills over the internet so any data they could glean from them would useless to them.

Enjoy your crow.

You are absolutely completely wrong on what you think the phone is doing or not doing.

This isn't a personal dig at you, and I don't say it in a mean or condemning way, really I don't. However, you have shown to be completely ignorant when it comes to privacy and data harvesting across multiple threads. You have ideas, and think you know what is going on, but you really don't have the slightest clue.

You don't need a "smart" phone for your provider to harvest extreme amounts of data. Hell, just visiting OCN you are subjecting yourself to "invasion of privacy", as so many would put it. Your ISP, that you are using to access this website, is harvesting more data than Microsoft.

Please, Lady Fitz, I do mean this as polite as possible, educate yourself on this subject.


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You own an ISP, right? You, if anyone, should know how much data is getting sent to Microsoft and through what avenues. Given that you have that level of knowledge, do you go out of your way to block it? I imagine the data is encrypted so it can't be read to see what's in there... Just a general question...

That being said. I love Windows 10. I've enjoyed it since install. I bet it knows all about me, but frankly... I don't really care. Every device I own knows all about me. That's the direction of the world.

Having looked at what was being sent off, after turning off everything in Windows 10 Pro, no, didn't bother to block the very basic telemetry at that point. As it is more or less simply diagnostics, and not worth blocking. Plus, I have used G-mail since 12-03-04, and am aware of their policies - so it would be extremely hypocritical of me to throw a fit.

Simply put, Microsoft is doing FAR LESS than what many other services and devices everyone here encounters every day is doing.
    
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