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You own an ISP, right? You, if anyone, should know how much data is getting sent to Microsoft and through what avenues. Given that you have that level of knowledge, do you go out of your way to block it? I imagine the data is encrypted so it can't be read to see what's in there... Just a general question...

That being said. I love Windows 10. I've enjoyed it since install. I bet it knows all about me, but frankly... I don't really care. Every device I own knows all about me. That's the direction of the world.

Having looked at what was being sent off, after turning off everything in Windows 10 Pro, no, didn't bother to block the very basic telemetry at that point. As it is more or less simply diagnostics, and not worth blocking. Plus, I have used G-mail since 12-03-04, and am aware of their policies - so it would be extremely hypocritical of me to throw a fit.

Simply put, Microsoft is doing FAR LESS than what many other services and devices everyone here encounters every day is doing.

Mine was more from an inquisitive nature. Given that your information base on these matters would be higher than mine, I was curious. Out of curiousity, what would "basic telemetry" be?
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Microsoft spying....with option to turn off, and they tell u what they are spying, but still everybody panic

Google facebook spying even without telling u take everything they can without ur perm. Nobody give a damn.

what the heck wrong with these people? if they soo afraid of spying they should be taking they worries on google/facebook first.

 

Actually, Google lets you turn off a LOT of privacy shaky options. The only thing they don't let you turn off is email scanning, diagnostic metrics and anonymous GUID for Google Play services. Facebook on the other hand...

 

Your mobile service like AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile on the other hand leaks your IMEI like a broken faucet allowing anyone on the street to track you at any time(see: Stingray). Hell, even SMS is sent in the open (Which is why the Gov't hates iMessage style chat services).

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You don't know me so you have no business making broad generalizations about me, especially since you are dead wrong. The only data Google maps gets from me is the locations I have looked up, which isn't very often and are rarely ones I actually go to; it's pretty much useless to them. I use my mailing address instead of my home address when getting directions. Your "argument" holds no water.
No they do not. My three cell phones are not "smart" phones, they do not "know" where I live, and are paid for from accounts reserved for paying bills over the internet. The one I just got is actually a cellular phone transceiver that connects to my "landline" phones made putting down a physical address optional; I opted not to provide one. Both the new pay as you go phone account and the one that is replacing the old one only have my mailing address, which is not the same as my home address. Both are (were, I'm closing one of them) paid for with various accounts reserved for paying bills over the internet so any data they could glean from them would useless to them.

Enjoy your crow.

I love how you think you're some kind of obscure user of the internet. You think that you're hidden from companies, or the government, or from anyone that wants to find you. You think that your 'dumb phone' can't be used against you.

Yet you have an electric bill, , you have internet service, you have a bank account, you have a job or you receive money of some sort. You may have claimed to not use social media, but here you are on an internet forum. You have a digital profile. You are not obscure or hidden from anyone. Oh, and you live in a building of some type. You either rent or you own; even with a paid off mortgage, someone knows who the hell you are and where the hell you live.

If someone wants to go off the grid and truly be private then they need to disconnect entirely, sell everything and make their way into northern Siberia or the Yukon.

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You don't know me so you have no business making broad generalizations about me, especially since you are dead wrong. The only data Google maps gets from me is the locations I have looked up, which isn't very often and are rarely ones I actually go to; it's pretty much useless to them. I use my mailing address instead of my home address when getting directions. Your "argument" holds no water.
No they do not. My three cell phones are not "smart" phones, they do not "know" where I live, and are paid for from accounts reserved for paying bills over the internet. The one I just got is actually a cellular phone transceiver that connects to my "landline" phones made putting down a physical address optional; I opted not to provide one. Both the new pay as you go phone account and the one that is replacing the old one only have my mailing address, which is not the same as my home address. Both are (were, I'm closing one of them) paid for with various accounts reserved for paying bills over the internet so any data they could glean from them would useless to them.

Enjoy your crow.

You are absolutely completely wrong on what you think the phone is doing or not doing.

This isn't a personal dig at you, and I don't say it in a mean or condemning way, really I don't. However, you have shown to be completely ignorant when it comes to privacy and data harvesting across multiple threads. You have ideas, and think you know what is going on, but you really don't have the slightest clue.

You don't need a "smart" phone for your provider to harvest extreme amounts of data. Hell, just visiting OCN you are subjecting yourself to "invasion of privacy", as so many would put it. Your ISP, that you are using to access this website, is harvesting more data than Microsoft.

Please, Lady Fitz, I do mean this as polite as possible, educate yourself on this subject. ...

Sure there will be entities that will be able to collect data on me. That doesn't mean I have to make it easy for them or not minimize the number of entities that can collect data. The portable pay-as-you-go phones can't collect any significant data on me because they rarely get used and stay turned off until I use them and, as I said before, one of those phones is going away soon. The one I am keeping has a GPS in it but it has been deactivated except for e-911 calls and even that doesn't work when the phone is turned off.

I do not give my home address and telephone numbers to anyone unless they absolutely need it. If someone or some company thinks they absolutely have to have my phone number, I give them a fake one that goes to directory assistance when dialed. The only address most people and companies, including my financial institutions, get is my mailing address. I do not give out my correct birthdate over the internet.

So what if I post on forums? The data I do give out is harmless and can't be used to my detriment.
     
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Mine was more from an inquisitive nature. Given that your information base on these matters would be higher than mine, I was curious. Out of curiousity, what would "basic telemetry" be?

System farts? That report gets sent to Microsoft so they can see what caused the fart.

In the past versions of Windows you would encounter an error, and it would ask if you want to send the report to Microsoft. Pretty much everyone clicked "No", with little exception. So you had a situation of Microsoft not getting the data back they needed to fix a lot of issues people ran into. That is now automated, so Microsoft can find out where there are incompatibilities.

A software company can only test so much in house, after that they have to rely on what happens in the wild. Yet, if they don't get those reports back from the Wild, they very well can't fix things they can't run into themselves. They just don't have the number of users/systems in house to test all the different possible hardware and software configurations their product will run into.

Yes, depending on other settings, Microsoft will take in other information, but it isn't more than any other social media or website is doing. They don't want to see you naked, or to steal anything. As some would have people believe. At most they are going to want to give you "relevant" marketing materials (ads). However, even then the way they are doing that isn't in your face.

Specific to Windows 10, Microsoft is very much trying to create a very "convenient" environment, and to really get Windows 10 to damn near be a personal assistant. Yes, that requires their software access certain things. Again, nothing crazy. At least not anything anyone should consider some invasion of privacy.

Beyond those points, people have a lot of control over what really goes out. If a person was concerned enough, they could even filter the communication at the hardware level on their network. Via their router and various QoS and filtering rules.

tl;dr: Ultimately anyone is capable of completely disabling, even at network level, anything they don't want MS or anyone else doing.

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since there were no takers, i'll repeat the question (slightly edited)
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i'll agree that it damned silly think any web based email is private however:
Under Pressure Of Lawsuits, Google Says It Will Stop Reading Students’ Emails (Updated)

that said, i would think one could have a higher expectation of privacy on POP3, no?

and if you would please forego the instances of public utilities; which information they would have was already PUBLIC RECORD before the internet, or financial institutions; that would know slightly more information because of federal tax laws, that would be great.


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Desktop vs mobile principles i guess.


if there was a decent opensource alternative ( Andriod isn't really these days and its got more holes than a dart board ) there might be people who would actually be able to take the alternative decisions you are talking about. People are pissed at google and apple for the data collection ( aswell as the email providers mentioned ) there just isn't anything anyone can do about it apart from not have a phone .. which is pretty awkward ( but not impossible ) but a to include the desktop PC in the mining is something people can do without.

The argument shouldn't be no phone/pc/tablet vs phone/pc/tablet. The argument should be protected phone/pc/tablet vs unprotected harvesting. The technology isn't readily easy to get hold of and the general consumers knowledge of content filtering ideas is limited to adblock at the most.


Facebook though .. yea people are dumb if they think they have any kind of rights on that platform.

I know I'm super late to the party, but I'd just like to pitch in and say in all my 16 years of owning a mobile phone, apart for a short period of time where I was weak, caved in to peer pressure and got a Blackberry, I've used "dumb phones" all my life and they've served me perfectly fine. Also makes for a good conversation starter when I whip out my flip phone, not to mention saves me tons on phone bill too. thumb.gif
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Desktop vs mobile principles i guess.


if there was a decent opensource alternative ( Andriod isn't really these days and its got more holes than a dart board ) there might be people who would actually be able to take the alternative decisions you are talking about. People are pissed at google and apple for the data collection ( aswell as the email providers mentioned ) there just isn't anything anyone can do about it apart from not have a phone .. which is pretty awkward ( but not impossible ) but a to include the desktop PC in the mining is something people can do without.

The argument shouldn't be no phone/pc/tablet vs phone/pc/tablet. The argument should be protected phone/pc/tablet vs unprotected harvesting. The technology isn't readily easy to get hold of and the general consumers knowledge of content filtering ideas is limited to adblock at the most.


Facebook though .. yea people are dumb if they think they have any kind of rights on that platform.

I know I'm super late to the party, but I'd just like to pitch in and say in all my 16 years of owning a mobile phone, apart for a short period of time where I was weak, caved in to peer pressure and got a Blackberry, I've used "dumb phones" all my life and they've served me perfectly fine. Also makes for a good conversation starter when I whip out my flip phone, not to mention saves me tons on phone bill too. thumb.gif

That's one of the reasons I love my dumb as rocks flip phone (the others being more secure and no pocket dialing). While I would love having the convenience of a smart phone, their lack of adequate security, their larger size, and their much larger monthly bill outweigh the advantages of having one. Also, their small screens hard on my old eyes, even with trifocals.
     
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When I had my Blackberry, the only smart thing I did was look up prices on Amazon while shopping to check whether I was getting a good deal or not. biggrin.gif

Otherwise I used it like a dumb phone, and eventually after I stopped being weak, I realized I was throwing away good money for nothing, got a flip phone and never looked back since.
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Keep it on topic. No political/religious posts.

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Why dumb phone, you really thought a phone could be smart ?biggrin.gif
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