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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

This is a flat out lie, and borderline libel.

I think he forgot to /s. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by CalinTM View Post

Maxwell was a gimmick, they were stuck another year with 28nm. But nvidia did great even at 28nm, imagine 2048 maxwell cores beating 2880 kepler 780 ti. What can they do now with 16nm FF ? smile.gif))

I expect the replacement for gm204 to be more than 50% performance.
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That's wishful thinking, but I'll join your boat ride redface.gif. Here's to more performance cheers.gif
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don't you see the pattern? they've been shuffling in a big-small-big-small pattern ever since fermi.

480 = 529 mm²
580 = 520 mm²

No shuffling there.

Not until the 680 is there a bit of shuffling. From that to the 780 and then back to the 980.

Nothing is impossible, it just doesn't seem likely based on how much money NVIDIA made from the 970, 980, 980 Ti and Titan X. The only other thing I see plausible, is, perhaps they launch a 1080 Ti, Titan Y, and Titan V. With the highest (in this case the Titan V) being the fully unlocked core, then the Titan Y being slightly cut down, and then the 1080 Ti being even further cut down. Sort of like how we saw with the 780 (2304 CUDA Cores), OG Titan (2688 CUDA Cores), and Titan Black (2880 CUDA Cores). Maybe this added SKU will help make even more money. Say the 1080 Ti Launches @ $650 (further cut down GP100), then the Titan Y (slightly cut down GP100) launches at $850, and then the Titan V (full GP100 core) launches at $1050. Where the 1080 Ti will have 8GB of HBM2, but both the Titans will have 16 GB of HBM2.

I do not think it is impossible for them to borrow some plays from the 700 series playbook, however, I do not believe it would make sense monetarily to have a "basic" 1080 to have a GP100 core since they are no longer the best cards you can get. With my above mentioned method, it allows an extra SKU available on the GP100 core to accumulate more money with more varied enthusiast price points. Then of course the 1080 (GP104) can be $500, the 1070 (GP104) can be $350, and the 1060 (GP106) can be $200 (Whereas with the 1080 having a GP100 core, I do not believe it could be $500 or so, which then raises the question what would the GP100 1080 Ti cost if the 1080 has a GP100 core; both would end up being too much money and change the pricing format for the worst).
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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

Ha!

Yea, it does. Call it wishful thinking, but I was hoping the 1080 would be GP100. Gotta break the cycle!

Nothing is impossible but if you glance above, you will see how I demonstrate a method on how NVIDIA can employ three GP100 SKUs without having the 1080 being one of them.
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Thats because they were the biggest chips.
GTX 1080 is most likely GP104. Gx104 are always 256bit. Kudos if the increase those to 384bit with Pascal because that will give 660GB/s with GDDR5X but dont hold your breath. Chances are Nvidia would want the chip to be as little complex as possible to save silicon and money. 256Bit+GDDR5X will after all give 450GB/s just tiny bit slower than HBM1.

If I should guess:
GTX 1080+8GB GDDDR5X in June
GTX Titan+12GB GDDDR5X in April
GTX 1080Ti+6GB GDDR5X whoknows

Something tells me with Pascal is they are going to be taking pages out of all their playbooks from past launches to have this be the most successful video card launch in all of their history; with numerous SKUs and many different options at different price points. I'm pretty sure about the VRAM amounts that I mentioned before, it doesn't require them to have a 384-bit bus width for 6GB to be on the 1070 and 1080 but it would make things easier if they were 384-bit bus widths. I'm almost certain though that the top GP100 SKUs will have HBM2 though.
Edited by BiG StroOnZ - 1/26/16 at 7:33pm
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This is a flat out lie, and borderline libel.

Not sure you can really call a prediction a "lie" tbh. I really wouldn't be surprised if there was a whole scale desertion from Maxwell by Nvidia in terms of driver support once Pascal drops but I think that Pascal will outperform any 28nm card by such a large margin that such shenanigans will really be unnecessary. The thing with Maxwell, at least when it first dropped, is that the 970 and 980 really didn't beat the 780Ti by any significant margin so there was a motive to "sweeten the pot" so to speak and get those owners to drop the $$$ for an "upgrade" to Maxwell. Now that Maxwell drivers have matured (and Kepler drivers have stagnated) there is a significant advantage to Maxwell over Kepler but that wasn't the case at the time (and yes I know that GM204 was a small-die flagship comparing to Kepler's flagship large-die cards but there really was no appreciable advantage to the GTX 980 over the 780Ti on release)...
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Not sure you can really call a prediction a "lie" tbh. I really wouldn't be surprised if there was a whole scale desertion from Maxwell by Nvidia in terms of driver support once Pascal drops but I think that Pascal will outperform any 28nm card by such a large margin that such shenanigans will really be unnecessary. The thing with Maxwell, at least when it first dropped, is that the 970 and 980 really didn't beat the 780Ti by any significant margin so there was a motive to "sweeten the pot" so to speak and get those owners to drop the $$$ for an "upgrade" to Maxwell. Now that Maxwell drivers have matured (and Kepler drivers have stagnated) there is a significant advantage to Maxwell over Kepler but that wasn't the case at the time (and yes I know that GM204 was a small-die flagship comparing to Kepler's flagship large-die cards but there really was no appreciable advantage to the GTX 980 over the 780Ti on release)...

I think GTX780 Ti OCed can still keep up GTX980 OCed if 3GB is not a problem. The only problem with comparing them stock is GTX980 has much higher clock but GTX780 Ti has higher OC potential.
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Sooo how long do I have to wait to get a 780Ti performance @ $150? biggrin.gif
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Not sure you can really call a prediction a "lie" tbh. I really wouldn't be surprised if there was a whole scale desertion from Maxwell by Nvidia in terms of driver support once Pascal drops but I think that Pascal will outperform any 28nm card by such a large margin that such shenanigans will really be unnecessary. The thing with Maxwell, at least when it first dropped, is that the 970 and 980 really didn't beat the 780Ti by any significant margin so there was a motive to "sweeten the pot" so to speak and get those owners to drop the $$$ for an "upgrade" to Maxwell. Now that Maxwell drivers have matured (and Kepler drivers have stagnated) there is a significant advantage to Maxwell over Kepler but that wasn't the case at the time (and yes I know that GM204 was a small-die flagship comparing to Kepler's flagship large-die cards but there really was no appreciable advantage to the GTX 980 over the 780Ti on release)...

How is this a prediction?

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just like the 780s


He flat out stated it happened on the 780s. That wasn't a prediction, he was stating it as fact.
    
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Sooo how long do I have to wait to get a 780Ti performance @ $150? biggrin.gif

 

With how cheap the 290/290X's & 390/390X's have been getting, probably next generation.

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My guesses:

HD -> R
GT/GTX -> GT-R
Ti -> V-SPEC
TITAN -> OLYMPIAN
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With how cheap the 290/290X's & 390/390X's have been getting, probably next generation.

Yup!

Hell, if a person was interested in used, next gen will put used 290/290X at $150 I am sure.

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My guesses:

HD -> R
GT/GTX -> GT-R
Ti -> V-SPEC
TITAN -> OLYMPIAN

Unless it is hot like the 400 series, then we can call it Hades.

EDIT: Serious though, maybe the Hercules.

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