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I am willing to dump my 980 ti sli if this new titan is just as good
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I am willing to dump my 980 ti sli if this new titan is just as good

And i am willing to buy the castoffs biggrin.gif
     
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well that means at least August until the 1080ti's...
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It should be pretty obvious from the context of the posts before mine that by "die shrink" I meant "process shrink". But I'll be more careful with semantics from now on.
The obvious thing to me was that your statement was wrong. I'm sorry I corrected you and I'm not trying to drag this out but don't tell me it's obvious and you'll be more careful as if your statement wasn't wrong. You aren't doing me any favors, just yourself and other users who don't know the difference between a die shrink and manufacturing process shrink.

Regardless, I'm glad you know the difference and you might want to edit your post for the second to correct your wrongs instead of getting sassy with me.
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well that means at least August until the 1080ti's...

Could be worse biggrin.gif
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I'm pretty sure they are referencing the part of the linked article that says the upcoming '1080', for want of a better term, will be roughly equivalent in performance to 980Ti and Titan X. i.e. the newer generation's 980 won't surpass the 980ti and Titan X exponentially.

Imho Titan X and GTX 1080 being roughly the same speed would be a gigantic failure.

die shrink, new architecture. it just can't be.

We need a jump and AMD/Nvidia know this. They want to push VR, they want to push 4K. Disappointing 10-20% increases won't do.

I am way too stubborn anyways. For me to be interested in the new NVIDIA/AMD gpus this year they have to be :


500$ GPU has to be 40% better than current 980 Ti or I am not even remotely interested.

650$ GPU has to be 60% better than current 980 Ti or I am not even remotely interested.


I have no idea why some people are careful/conservative with what they except. For gods sake we have 2016 and we are jumping from 28nm to 16/14nm. This should be the big jump we have been expecting and sought for for so long.
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Imho Titan X and GTX 1080 being roughly the same speed would be a gigantic failure.

die shrink, new architecture. it just can't be.

We need a jump and AMD/Nvidia know this. They want to push VR, they want to push 4K. Disappointing 10-20% increases won't do.

I am way too stubborn anyways. For me to be interested in the new NVIDIA/AMD gpus this year they have to be :


500$ GPU has to be 40% better than current 980 Ti or I am not even remotely interested.

650$ GPU has to be 60% better than current 980 Ti or I am not even remotely interested.


I have no idea why some people are careful/conservative with what they except. For gods sake we have 2016 and we are jumping from 28nm to 16/14nm. This should be the big jump we have been expecting and sought for for so long.
40% and 60%
Some high expectations smile.gif setting the bar real high for nvidia
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Just like people who bought a 980 that already owned a 780Ti. The 980 was barely faster than the 780Ti at launch, but used much less power. And now the 980 is a good 10-15% faster than a 780Ti in some instances. Same might hold true for the 1080 over the 980Ti as Pascal drivers improve.

980 also had 1GB more vram than 780 Ti. 980 Ti has 6GB, so 1080 pretty much has to have 8GB at this point.
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The obvious thing to me was that your statement was wrong. I'm sorry I corrected you and I'm not trying to drag this out but don't tell me it's obvious and you'll be more careful as if your statement wasn't wrong. You aren't doing me any favors, just yourself and other users who don't know the difference between a die shrink and manufacturing process shrink.

Regardless, I'm glad you know the difference and you might want to edit your post for the second to correct your wrongs instead of getting sassy with me.

Yeah you might want to tone down the sass yourself:
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Absolutely. I'm just talking about stock for stock speeds since I don't think many people OC (even those that buy $500+ cards since they're afraid they might damage them).

No, you were right. Die shrink is the same as a process shrink: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_shrink

Edit: I'd like to see what they do with the "GTX 1070" card. Hoping for no gimped VRAM setup, even if it's less, and close performance but at much cheaper pricing. Sort of like how the 290 was to the 290X.

And before you say "Wikipedia isn't reliable and that particular article doesn't cite any sources", please show me some trustworthy sources where they use "die shrink" in the most literal context: ie reduction in size of die without changing any of the underlying lithography or design, that would give rise to the confusion between "die shrink" and "process shrink" as you allude to.
Edited by magnek - 1/27/16 at 12:31pm
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40% and 60%
Some high expectations smile.gif setting the bar real high for nvidia


I actually feel like those are very conservative from my point of view.
What are other people expecting? Are they ready to pay 500$ for a GPU with the performance of a 980 Ti? (remember that the GPU is not out right now, but due in the future)
Right now 500$ for a 980 Ti would seem like a good deal, but that is not my question.
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40% and 60%
Some high expectations smile.gif setting the bar real high for nvidia

The jump to 28nm was in that range(and sometimes higher) from both AMD and Nvidia, its not complete fantasy.
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The jump to 28nm was in that range(and sometimes higher) from both AMD and Nvidia, its not complete fantasy.


GTX 580 -> GTX 680 was a 30-35%~ increase in performance although the die decreased in size from 550mm² to 294mm² !

It should be easily possibly to have a GTX 1080 that is 50% better than a 980 Ti if the GTX 1080 has a die size of around 400mm² (roughly same as GTX 980).
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