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I'd love to see this.


I very much doubt I'll see this.

We're probably going to be on 14/16nm until 2019. GP100 might hit the market in Q2/Q3, but it won't be the consumer market. That is, unless GP100 is a tiny die.

None of us are getting big die chips on 14/16nm any time soon. Stop fooling yourselves, it would be an absolute miracle to get a big die early in the first generation on a node that everyone knows will need to be milked for a minimum of 3 years.
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GTX780 = GK110
GTX580 = GF110
GTX480 = GF100
GTX280 = GT200

its only since the 600 series where Nvidia broke off with GTX#80 being the peak of the crop.

Yes, but it has been almost four years since the 600 series launched, so I don't see them going back to an older formula that might have originally been the norm.
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I really expected higher performance expectations from Pascal. I mean for the "1080" to be roughly on par with the 980Ti...really.
Polaris might be able to be really great if this is true as AMD were pretty much on par with the 980Ti vs Fury X (stock vs Stock) and now they finally have an entirely new architecture which should be great.thumb.gif

Im sure the 980Ti will release once the 1080 and titan numbers start slowing a fair bit. No point in releasing it before then. Alot will upgrade to the 1080 and then re-upgrade to the Ti once released making more $$$ for NV. Thats how they operate.

I'm gonna say this right now: if GP104 based 1080 is truly, truly just "roughly on par with 980 Ti", then Pascal is pretty much an epic fail and nVidia should just pack up and go home.
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If they are going to release it like before, first the 980 and titan, then 980 TI similar to the titan, than I expect them to release a titan with HBM v2 32GB, a 1080 with GDDR5X with 8GB, and later 1080 TI which has HBM v2 16GB.
This is at least my guess.
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I'm gonna say this right now: if GP104 based 1080 is truly, truly just "roughly on par with 980 Ti", then Pascal is pretty much an epic fail and nVidia should just pack up and go home.
No.
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I'm gonna say this right now: if GP104 based 1080 is truly, truly just "roughly on par with 980 Ti", then Pascal is pretty much an epic fail and nVidia should just pack up and go home.

My thoughts exactly. With Maxwell, we got Titan Black/780Ti performance with the 970. If the 1070 isn't at least on par with the 980Ti, then this will become one of the most disappointing launches. I was (wishfully) hoping for 980Ti performance in the 1060, or very close at least. However, if they can't gain like they did with Maxwell, what's the point? Even at CES they teased higher performance than that.
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I'm gonna say this right now: if GP104 based 1080 is truly, truly just "roughly on par with 980 Ti", then Pascal is pretty much an epic fail and nVidia should just pack up and go home.

If the fully enabled GP104 has around 1500 CUDA like GK104 and is about the same performance as a Titan X that's about 50% faster per core..

EDIT: Got my numbers mixed up with Kepler, still not too shabby

Having said that it's all speculation. Roll on release, we will see.
Edited by Slink3Slyde - 1/25/16 at 11:32pm
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They will not call it GTX 1080.

It is either GTX 1800 or some new naming format.
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I never had high expectations for Pascal.. It's been said for a long time that it's more or less Maxwell with a die shrink. The 980 Ti has a massive chip, i doubt the first 16nm chips will even be on par with it.

I'll be waiting until Volta next year, those will be the real monster cards, and when i plan on picking up a 4k monitor. I think AMD is going to beat NV this year, for the first time in years they will finally have a new architecture, looking forward to watching from the sidelines. thumb.gif
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No.

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My thoughts exactly. With Maxwell, we got Titan Black/780Ti performance with the 970. If the 1070 isn't at least on par with the 980Ti, then this will become one of the most disappointing launches. I was (wishfully) hoping for 980Ti performance in the 1060, or very close at least. However, if they can't gain like they did with Maxwell, what's the point? Even at CES they teased higher performance than that.

I'm basing my judgement from the jump in performance on going from GF110 (580) to GK104 (680). There it also involved a process shrink (40nm to 28nm), arch change (Fermi to Kepler), as well as using updated GDDR5 that was much faster (from 4000MHz to 6000MHz effective). And guess what, 680 was on average 30% faster than 580, up to 50% in selected titles.

Likewise, Pascal will involve a process shrink, arch change, and memory update. So if GP104 just matches GM200, then yes, it's an epic fail, and I stand by that.
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If the fully enabled GP104 has around 1500 CUDA like GK104 and is about the same performance as a Titan X that's about 50% faster per core..

Having said that it's all speculation. Roll on release, we will see.

I very heavily doubt a 1500 shader core would merit a 300mm² die. GK104 was 294mm² and packed 1536 shaders, and this was on 28nm.
Edited by magnek - 1/25/16 at 11:33pm
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