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Then again, has AMD ever said they need game source code? To me it seems like they only care about source code of the API and addons to it (which is what GameWorks features are in a way). Not the game source code.

Anyhow, it is tradition for Nvidia to work in close cooperation with devs to improve game performance. They might not need the source code, so what they said really doesn't have to contradict with the reality of their own practices. Because it's not of much substance to begin with, for the most part. Just some good old marketing.

really. can we please put the "nv is working closely with devs to ensure their customers the best experience" to rest?

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/rise_of_the_tomb_raider_pc_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,7.html

see the 770? yea even worse there were cards slower back then. now it is as fast as an 950...well done nvidia. people always kept saying kepler is superior to gcn well we see like almost every gimpworks game that this is not the case...
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really. can we please put the "nv is working closely with devs to ensure their customers the best experience" to rest?

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/rise_of_the_tomb_raider_pc_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,7.html

see the 770? yea even worse there were cards slower back then. now it is as fast as an 950...well done nvidia. people always kept saying kepler is superior to gcn well we see like almost every gimpworks game that this is not the case...

Except look at 1440p and 4k. See how far away the Fury is from the 980 Ti? Sure looks like a lot of optimazations.
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see the 770? yea even worse there were cards slower back then. now it is as fast as an 950...well done nvidia. people always kept saying kepler is superior to gcn well we see like almost every gimpworks game that this is not the case...

Being faster at the time in games of the time is very different from it will always will be faster in games of the future. Kepler was an architecture developed specifically to be good at games of the time, GCN was developed to be good at almost anything.

This was great for Kepler when game workloads were quite similar to what was expected but terrible when workloads started to change beyond what was expected. The improvements in Maxwell were to support these newer graphics workloads.

This targeted architecture was why a 680 could match a 7970 on release and was so much more efficient, even though its hardware was inferior on paper and much cheaper to make. However, it obviously didn't work nearly as well after the workload changed.

An architecture targeting a specific workload probably does have a shorter useful life, and it probably takes more specific tweaks to optimize for, but it is also very efficient in both die area and power use for those few years when it is for sale.

GPUs never last more than two years anyway, right? redface.gif

GameWorks does use these newer graphics workloads, and I am sure GPUOpen will as well. Some newer techniques for implementing effects do not run well on Kepler and GPUOpen will highlight this just like GameWorks does. Of course there are examples of very badly done effects but generally; if an option does not run well on your hardware just turn it down or disable it. Do not complain that "ultra" everything is too slow for your system, the other option is developers simply renaming medium to ultra and leaving the effect out. Maybe a particular option isn't worth the performance cost to you but "make it look the same but run much better", while it would be great, is not a realistic option.
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is it surprising that the next gen arch beats/matches the previous next tier up?

midrange kepler beat top end fermi, midrange maxwell beat high end kepler. that would hold true for entry to midrange arch changes.

and i thought it was known for awhile that what made GK104 look good was the time it took AMD to optimize GCN drivers, no?
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Except look at 1440p and 4k. See how far away the Fury is from the 980 Ti? Sure looks like a lot of optimazations.

That is why I have not gotten Fury or Fury X. Its is not a upgrade from 290X. There is some internal bottleneck going on.
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is it surprising that the next gen arch beats/matches the previous next tier up?

midrange kepler beat top end fermi, midrange maxwell beat high end kepler. that would hold true for entry to midrange arch changes.

and i thought it was known for awhile that what made GK104 look good was the time it took AMD to optimize GCN drivers, no?

If by "for a while" you mean "3 years after the fact" then hell yeah. thumb.gif

Seriously though AMD really, really needs to get their launch drivers in order. First impressions count and are long lasting. Thankfully RTG under Raja Koduri seems to be heading in the right direction.
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If by "for a while" you mean "3 years after the fact" then hell yeah. thumb.gif

Seriously though AMD really, really needs to get their launch drivers in order. First impressions count and are long lasting. Thankfully RTG under Raja Koduri seems to be heading in the right direction.

Not sure about that. AMD has too much in their plate. Crimson drivers are pretty bad.
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Seriously though AMD really, really needs to get their launch drivers in order. First impressions count and are long lasting. Thankfully RTG under Raja Koduri seems to be heading in the right direction.
Seems to be......right.......I am skeptical, I think I need a year to 2 years of decent driver consistency to confirm that.
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Seems to be......right.......I am skeptical, I think I need a year to 2 years of decent driver consistency to confirm that.

I would like to see what becomes of AMD drivers. I just feel there is so much when it comes to GPU AMD can't keep up with the budget they have. There is VR, CFX, New Games, Vulkan, DX12, GPUOpen etc etc.
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They need to prioritize that's for sure. Out of that list you posted, I'd say VR should be at the bottom.
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