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Just curious, @Imglidinhere but can you extract the gpu bios from gpuz on your laptop or is it blocked? Most dell laptops block you extracting the gpu bios.
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Updated with the Crysis gameplay video that was requested! Holds anywhere from 30-35 FPS but it's consistent with only one or two dips. Gameplay is smooth even in the heavy firefight there. The number of NPCs was tripled too, Super Powers mod adds more enemies to fight and is generally more taxing due to the higher count you face. Muzzle-flashes yo. tongue.gif
     
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Crysis 2 FPS video is up too. Runs maxed out better than Crysis does. YAY for DX11 optimization! biggrin.gif
     
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Nice, I'll check them out. Hell yeah to Dx11 optimizations. I can't wait for some Dx12 titles. That will make our gpu's run almost twice as fast. Your 960m will be rocking like a 980m for free LOL.

As far as the bios extract, that should be doable with Gpu-Z. I was able to pull the bios from my 970m in the Alienware 15 R2 a couple months ago. It's a dell too, now anyways lol.

I watched both Crysis 1 and 2 videos that you uploaded. Looks to run pretty good at maxed settings. Even with the frame rate around 30-40 fps it still looked very playable. Not bad at all. What's kinda interesting is watching in the Crysis 2 video, the gpu usage was around 80% a lot, but your frame rate wasn't locked at 60fps during that time. Usually if your gpu usage is below 99% that's when you are holding the V-sync cap. It was running around 40-50 fps tho. I can't think that there's a cpu bottleneck going on with that cpu backing the 960m. For your frame rate to be less than 60fps and usage not pegged at 99-100% , that would mean you're getting a cpu bottleneck.

Are you running the latest driver from Nvidia? You aren't running an old driver that Dell loaded on that laptop are you? I personally always go to Nvidia's site and get the newest driver I can. I don't listen to those that say you have to only use the newest one that the manufacture shows in their drivers list. They don't update the driver all the time like Nvidia does for all the new game ready drivers. You try running the latest?? Just curious

Have you applied any overclock to the 960m yet? I'd use Nvidia Inspector if I were you. It worked by far the best out of any other's out there. I have MSI AB installed just to use RivaTuner, but don't overclock through AB at all. That's worked the best for all my gaming laptops. You can apply an extra 25mv to the core with Nvidia Inspector too which let me get the best results. You can probably apply the full +135mhz to the core, and about +250-500mhz on the memory. Should give you a nice boost thumb.gif
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The Crysis 2 run had Vsync on. That's why it was sitting around 48 FPS. I've noticed it in a few games. Some sit at 60 and some sit at 48 FPS for Vsync... Can't really explain why that is...

I've got Zombie Army Trilogy coming up in a few minutes. Vram usage hit 2.5GB! biggrin.gif So the 4GB framebuffer IS a good thing after all! biggrin.gif
     
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The Crysis 2 run had Vsync on. That's why it was sitting around 48 FPS. I've noticed it in a few games. Some sit at 60 and some sit at 48 FPS for Vsync... Can't really explain why that is...

I've got Zombie Army Trilogy coming up in a few minutes. Vram usage hit 2.5GB! biggrin.gif So the 4GB framebuffer IS a good thing after all! biggrin.gif

Thats strange about the V-sync. It should always cap you at your monitors refresh rate as in 60hz = 60fps...

Hell yeah that 4gb is a good thing. You think I was kidding about it when I said I was having a horrible time with the 2gb 960m. That 4gb model is a ton better when you start needing it. Try Black Ops 3 if you want to really use some Vram lol. I've seen 10gb's of Vram usage with my Titan X and that title lol. Also seen 27gb of system ram out of 32gb in BO3 lol.

Now I'm not comparing power here, with the pic I'm posting, just curious in the performance difference. I seen that you had Ice Storm in your benchmark results and I never ran that test before so I just did. After finishing and seeing my score, I'm very confused that you got a 67,000 score headscratch.gif .. I just ran on my MSI GT72 that has the 970m and I just got a 165,000 score. That's almost in the 3 times faster range, well more like 2-1/2 times or so, just rough estimate. But in gaming performance the 970m is roughly 35-40% faster than the 960m. I was expecting to hit around 100,000 or so which would have been like 35-40% faster. Getting 165,000 is more like 246% faster ??? I'm not getting why such a huge difference on that test?? Can you run that again? I think you should be more in the 120,000 range if the 960m is 35-40% slower than the 970m right? This has me like WTH LOL I'm going to rerun the test now myself. Something seems odd.


Well it's the same again on my end. Interesting. I think you should be getting a lot higher score than the 67,000 that you got. Try running that test again. Also what driver version are you using right now? Just curious on that too bud. Thanks. Here's my results again for the 2nd run.

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You are overclocking your processor too. That helps inflate the score a great deal, plus you said you'd overclocked your 970M, further expanding the gap. Also, the 970M is about 80% faster than the 960M in games. Synthetics tend to show a larger gap.
     
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You are overclocking your processor too. That helps inflate the score a great deal, plus you said you'd overclocked your 970M, further expanding the gap. Also, the 970M is about 80% faster than the 960M in games. Synthetics tend to show a larger gap.

Maybe it's just that test. I didn't think to see a 246% jump over it like Ice Storm shows. I know the overclocking makes it faster, but didn't think I'd see that much of a difference is all. Are you NOT OVERCLOCKING at all? You are running all those tests, benchmarks, and games all on stock clocks? If so, you definitely want to overclock that gpu some.They are very conservative with the clocks big time. The memory can be ran at pretty much 6ghz on all the chips that the gpu's have, 960m - 980m, and you can almost always get the extra 135mhz on the core with using the +25mv (which is nothing really, but helps) that Nvidia Inspector allows. I have seen from all the laptops that I have gotten that you can easily get an extra 15-25% more out of every gpu. It never has caused any more heat in any of them. I was able to do that with all the 970m's and the 960m I had. They still boost even higher over the 135mhz with the boost feature. I've even pushed farther than that whit custom Vbios's with almost every laptop too, but that's just getting a little overboard. It's better to just leave the stock Vbios alone, use the clocks that are allowed because it won't harm your system. Nvidia Inspector doesn't allow for major overclocking at all, it's safe or Nvidia wouldn't have gave us the tool LOL. I only set the overclocks I use if I'm going to game, if not, it's always running stock. It makes the difference of playing at 45-50 fps to playing locked at 60fps a lot of times and that is huge to me. I like a constant frame rate when I game personally so the experience is always nice a smooth.

You should give it a try and see what you can get. You will only gain performance and you won't harm your system any if you do things safe with Nvidia Inspector. Especially with the cooling setup of your new Dell. That thing will handle it like a champ. You probably won't even see 1c increase in temps on either your cpu or gpu. The fans will keep the temps at the same level they are now. You won't see it any but the only difference is your fan RPM's might go from say 44% to 47-50% and you won't hear that difference.

Again tho, what driver are you using bud? You should really install the latest driver and not be using one that's 6months to 1 year old. Not sure if you have, you haven't replied to that question. I just like to see everyone get the most out of their toys and do so with safety in mind biggrin.gif
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I checked out your videos and it looks like your cpu is the bottleneck. Try turning down the maximum prerendered frames in nvcp and try that. That's probably why your cpu is pegged at 100% and the gpu is around 70-90%.
Especially for world of tanks, turn it down to like 1 on pre-rendered frames and you'll see a huge jump in fps with a lower cpu usage but higher gpu usage.

AW man I can't wait for the xps 15. Maybe they'll release a 4gb vram version later this year.
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I checked out your videos and it looks like your cpu is the bottleneck. Try turning down the maximum prerendered frames in nvcp and try that. That's probably why your cpu is pegged at 100% and the gpu is around 70-90%.
Especially for world of tanks, turn it down to like 1 on pre-rendered frames and you'll see a huge jump in fps with a lower cpu usage but higher gpu usage.

AW man I can't wait for the xps 15. Maybe they'll release a 4gb vram version later this year.

Silly me tongue.gif , I'm so interested in watching the gpu performance and usage numbers, I didn't even look 1/4" lower on the screen to look that the Cpu was pegged at 100% in the Crysis 2 video and then Gpu was running under 99% around 70-85%, but yeah it's totally a Cpu bottleneck in that game big time.

OP, you are getting Cpu bottleneck in the Crysis 2 video for sure. I am VERY SURPRISED tho that that cpu is a bottleneck being a true quad core and it's a new Skylake processor. It may be the 2.3ghz clock speed of it, or you might have a performance setting in the Power Options in windows that's keeping the cpu from clocking up to the 3.2ghz turbo speeds. Or all 4 cores turbo'd to 2.8ghz. At 2.8ghz and a true quad core, there's no reason that cpu should be bottlenecking your 960m. That's kinda crazy right there IMHO.

As for Crysis 1 video, your cpu was only running around 80% usage and thus getting your Gpu up to 99% usage as it should be. Looks like Crysis 1 wasn't coded as well for a quad core and was using maybe 2 cores more. Crysis 2 was coded better to use all 4 cores from the testing you showed and that's why it's running your Cpu up to 100%, which is still crazy in my book for such a new Cpu unless it's being restricted in some way by windows.

Or possibly were you not plugged into the wall when recording any of those videos? That will drop the performance on the Cpu and Gpu a lot. Most people wouldn't play a game like Crysis on battery tho so I wouldn't assume you were either.

You can try going into your power options in windows and setting up a High Performance plan and set the Cpu min to say 75% and max 100%, or even set the min to 100% also so your cpu will only drop to 2.8ghz at the lowest if all 4 cores are being pushed fully. That will create less of a bottleneck and give your 960m a lot more info to run the game a higher frame rates and you will get closer to being locked at 60fps, and maybe even being able to raise settings higher than you were at.

Just for reference I've never seen the i7 6700HQ or my new 6820K running anywhere near 100% when gaming. Max I've seen is around 50-60% only for a very short time. My cpu is usually bouncing between 20-50% and sometimes see a 60% here and there depending on the game. I'm really dumbfounded tho to see that cpu being a bottleneck especially with a 960m. That just doesn't make much sense there.
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Asus ROG Swift 27" 144hz with G-Sync Samsung 65" 7150  Logitech G510s Corsair AX1200 
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Thermaltake Core X9 custom painted Red and Black Logitech G602 Wireless Corsair Aluminum Core 2 sided  Bose Companion 5 
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