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Just for reference I've never seen the i7 6700HQ or my new 6820K running anywhere near 100% when gaming. Max I've seen is around 50-60% only for a very short time. My cpu is usually bouncing between 20-50% and sometimes see a 60% here and there depending on the game. I'm really dumbfounded tho to see that cpu being a bottleneck especially with a 960m. That just doesn't make much sense there.

DX11 is still dependent on a primary core and the way I've seen games work on my CPU, it's usually pinned to the max 4-core turbo speed. In TC's case, that's 2.8GHz.

TC probably hasn't done much in the way of optimization, removing bloatware, trimming processes [blackviper] and other such things. In addition to those I use process lasso pro that I got free off of GOTD, it features a core parking utility and I can keep most secondary programs and drivers off of Core 0. I believe every bit helps.

TC should DL the DX12 version of the U4 Elemental Demo and FRAPs it. I think screen capture will crash with fraps, but you can still bench it with fraps. That will offer something with little issue of CPU overhead.
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It's not a CPU bottleneck actually, I've been using MSI Afterburner for the Video Capture and it pegs half the CPU for the recording period. My FPS increases a good 20% in every game when not recording, so take that into account please.
     
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After reviewing the Firestrike scores I. The results browser your scores seem quite low. Whats the gpu clock when benching? Also, I'm really interested in the memory and gpu overclocking capability of the card. Especially memory overclocking since it's got such a low bandwidth. With the nvidia drivers, do you still have the ability to overclock the gpu?

I'd definitely look at turning down your pre-rendered frames. Looks like you should be getting around 4k in Firestrike 1.1...fyi.
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After reviewing the Firestrike scores I. The results browser your scores seem quite low. Whats the gpu clock when benching? Also, I'm really interested in the memory and gpu overclocking capability of the card. Especially memory overclocking since it's got such a low bandwidth. With the nvidia drivers, do you still have the ability to overclock the gpu?

I'd definitely look at turning down your pre-rendered frames. Looks like you should be getting around 4k in Firestrike 1.1...fyi.

The GPU score is around 4300 points in Firestrike. The overall score is what you're looking at. The P score isn't the same thing.
     
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You won't really see it in synthetic benchmarks because those are just a number after it runs. That doesn't mean it ran smooth and worth playing to get that number, it just got it any way it had to. It also has to do with the games you want to play. If you want to play games like Black Ops 3 and Star Wars Battlefront, or the new Rise of the Tomb Raider that releases today, the 2gb Vram will affect your performance especially if you are playing at 1080p. That's where it hurts. If you are OK with playing at 720p and are happy, then sure the 2gb card will be fine. I have installed the 2gb and 4gb 960's in many desktops and there's a big difference in how smooth games run. That's for sure. Not everyone cares about that tho, so it's a personally preference then. Also if you plan on playing games in the next couple years those games are going to want more than 2gb of Vram also. Older games aren't as much a problem. 2gb is hard for me to recommend to anyone if they want to game on new titles over the next 2 years. The 4gb 960m just makes a lot more sense.

You can get anything you want tho. I do recommend this dell that Imglidinhere just got. That's a killer deal for what it is and comes with the 4gb model. Not sure what laptop you are talking about?

@ Imglidinhere, Can you record some gameplay video and upload some of that so we can see how smooth things run as you are playing? That might help show how much the 4gb of Vram helps over some benchmark results. Just askin thumb.gif

Thanks for the information and help man! But my criteria are pretty strict in what I need. Gaming performance is important but not the top.

I got the Dell XPS 15 9550 (newest model)

$1009 total Dell Certified Refurbished (someone bought it and returned it)

CPU: Intel i7 6700 HQ (Quad Core w/ 8 Threads up to 3.5GHz)
GPU: Nvidia GTX 960M 2GB
RAM: 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4
SSD: M.2 PCIe Samsung 512GB SSD
Display: 15.6" Dell Infinity Edge 1920x1080
Battery: 84Whr 6 Cell
Weight: ~ 4Lbs to 4.2Lbs or 3.9 Lbs if I get the standard 54Whr battery
Warranty: 90 Day return (more than normal) and 1 year standard Dell Warranty (same as buying new)
OS: Windows 10 x64

Comes with extra TV Antenna, Palm Rest, Upgraded Thermal heatsink solution

This model and specification new is $1800 so I saved....$800 buying the return model as they had a special extra $500 off coupon today.

If I put in the 54Whr battery, then I get access to the 2.5" SATA bay so I can add a HDD in for more space if needed. But I'll get only 4-5 hrs of regular use on battery (which is fine with me).

I needed a high-perf laptop that had to be less than 5Lbs (even lighter preferably) and thinner than a Macbook Pro. It also had to have very good touchpad and keyboard and general feel. And can game as well

The Dell 7559 is a great alternative if I was a bit more scrapped on cash. And can probably game a tad bit better. But I wasn't going for pure performance this time around.


Thanks for the help everyone!
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You won't really see it in synthetic benchmarks because those are just a number after it runs. That doesn't mean it ran smooth and worth playing to get that number, it just got it any way it had to. It also has to do with the games you want to play. If you want to play games like Black Ops 3 and Star Wars Battlefront, or the new Rise of the Tomb Raider that releases today, the 2gb Vram will affect your performance especially if you are playing at 1080p. That's where it hurts. If you are OK with playing at 720p and are happy, then sure the 2gb card will be fine. I have installed the 2gb and 4gb 960's in many desktops and there's a big difference in how smooth games run. That's for sure. Not everyone cares about that tho, so it's a personally preference then. Also if you plan on playing games in the next couple years those games are going to want more than 2gb of Vram also. Older games aren't as much a problem. 2gb is hard for me to recommend to anyone if they want to game on new titles over the next 2 years. The 4gb 960m just makes a lot more sense.

You can get anything you want tho. I do recommend this dell that Imglidinhere just got. That's a killer deal for what it is and comes with the 4gb model. Not sure what laptop you are talking about?

@ Imglidinhere, Can you record some gameplay video and upload some of that so we can see how smooth things run as you are playing? That might help show how much the 4gb of Vram helps over some benchmark results. Just askin thumb.gif

Thanks for the information and help man! But my criteria are pretty strict in what I need. Gaming performance is important but not the top.

I got the Dell XPS 15 9550 (newest model)

$1009 total Dell Certified Refurbished (someone bought it and returned it)

CPU: Intel i7 6700 HQ (Quad Core w/ 8 Threads up to 3.5GHz)
GPU: Nvidia GTX 960M 2GB
RAM: 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4
SSD: M.2 PCIe Samsung 512GB SSD
Display: 15.6" Dell Infinity Edge 1920x1080
Battery: 84Whr 6 Cell
Weight: ~ 4Lbs to 4.2Lbs or 3.9 Lbs if I get the standard 54Whr battery
Warranty: 90 Day return (more than normal) and 1 year standard Dell Warranty (same as buying new)
OS: Windows 10 x64

Comes with extra TV Antenna, Palm Rest, Upgraded Thermal heatsink solution

This model and specification new is $1800 so I saved....$800 buying the return model as they had a special extra $500 off coupon today.

If I put in the 54Whr battery, then I get access to the 2.5" SATA bay so I can add a HDD in for more space if needed. But I'll get only 4-5 hrs of regular use on battery (which is fine with me).

I needed a high-perf laptop that had to be less than 5Lbs (even lighter preferably) and thinner than a Macbook Pro. It also had to have very good touchpad and keyboard and general feel. And can game as well

The Dell 7559 is a great alternative if I was a bit more scrapped on cash. And can probably game a tad bit better. But I wasn't going for pure performance this time around.


Thanks for the help everyone!

Ah man I want that deal! The i7 in the xps 15 would be amazing. I'm sure there'd be some heat issues but dang good specs for such a small laptop.
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Ah man I want that deal! The i7 in the xps 15 would be amazing. I'm sure there'd be some heat issues but dang good specs for such a small laptop.

The new XPS 15 from the reviews said that there actually aren't.

About 3 refreshes back. The XPS 15 had some throttling issues with the CPU and GPU which made some enthusiast members mad. They pretty much fixed this.

Reviews noted that it ran fairly cool, and when plugged in, had no throttling of the GPU even without any additional cooling elements. It did get a bit louder at times but did not exhibit the same issues from early 2014 models.

It also does the graphics switching and cpu clocking a lot more smoothly than from the early 2014 fiasco. People from those models noted that they got weird battery life and some glitches in clocks when doing the usual 'battery -> power -> battery' that you would do in a normal day.

I got mine with the better thermal solution which people note worked very well.


IF YOU WANT ONE

They are selling one with simililar specs right now for about $820 I believe (free shipping). You need to call the Dell Outlet sales number (8am to 6pm CST). The coupon of $500 off $1199 and above XPS ends tomorrow. YOU WON'T see the models I note on the Dell Outlet website. The phone service has access to the most up-to-date inventory.

I believe these were the specs:

$820 XPS 15 9550 Dell Certified Refurbished


Intel i7 6700HQ (Quad Core, 8 Threads)
8GB DDR4 (2x 4GB)
256GB PCIe M.2 SSD (supports PCIe and SATA M.2)
GTX 960M 2GB
15.6" Infinity Edge 1920x1080
54 Whr Battery
3.9 Lbs (and thinner than Macbook) (has extra 2.5" SATA slot for upgrade)
Noted as having one of the best keyboard+touchpad solutions in Windows based laptops outside Lenovo Thinkpad
Non-wobbly frame construction and is aluminum

I didn't get it because for $170 more, I could get the much more expensive SSD and RAM along with the higher battery. Also this one doesn't come with the upgraded thermal solution or palm rest. I didn't care about the palm rest but I wanted the thermal solution.

The 512GB M.2 PCIe Samsung SSD they are using would cost $350 online right now aftermarket. It was also 2x as fast as the 256GB SSD$200) model from benchmarks.

I didn't care about 16GB of RAM but Dell put the 8GB version in 2x 4GB configuration so it would cost you the full $100 for the aftermarket 16GB DDR4 laptop size to upgrade. I'll be doing lots of Matlab with Simulation this semester so I said why not. (I didn't want to care about reselling the 8GB DDR4 to save on costs)



If anyone is interested in this version, give Dell Outlet a call. They also have one with the same spec above for $880 but with the TV Antenna, palm rest and upgraded thermal solution added on.

They gave me a 90 day return policy (more then usual from new or outlet) and all Dell Outlet purchases come with the same warranty that new purchases get (1 year warranty).
Edited by bowness437 - 1/29/16 at 7:39pm
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http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10524857

Here's with a +135mhz core clock boost.

The 960M gets a solid 10% boost for the GPU score. Hits 4730 from 4300.
     
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http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10524857

Here's with a +135mhz core clock boost.

The 960M gets a solid 10% boost for the GPU score. Hits 4730 from 4300.

Dude, turn that memory up. You can run the memory at 6ghz on almost 90% of the gpu's (960/970/980) . It's stock at 5ghz (5000mhz / 4 = 1253mhz) you can add 400mhz easy and up to +600mhz which would get 6.2ghz. When you add around 500mhz more and clock at 6000mhz you will gain more performance that adding the 135mhz to the core. So if you do both, you will get a lot more performance. I run +135mhz core, +500mhz mem, and +25mv voltage all through Nvidia Inspector on all the last 4 gpu's in the 4 laptops I bought in the past 3 months trying to get my new one. It's a lot faster running that boost.

I just added a Samsung 950 Pro 512gb NVMe SSD today and installed my os on it, and now have my 1 terabyte 850 Evo as storage and game drive. This thing is sick now with 1500mb/s write and 2500mb/s read lol.
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Dude, turn that memory up. You can run the memory at 6ghz on almost 90% of the gpu's (960/970/980) . It's stock at 5ghz (5000mhz / 4 = 1253mhz) you can add 400mhz easy and up to +600mhz which would get 6.2ghz. When you add around 500mhz more and clock at 6000mhz you will gain more performance that adding the 135mhz to the core. So if you do both, you will get a lot more performance. I run +135mhz core, +500mhz mem, and +25mv voltage all through Nvidia Inspector on all the last 4 gpu's in the 4 laptops I bought in the past 3 months trying to get my new one. It's a lot faster running that boost.

I just added a Samsung 950 Pro 512gb NVMe SSD today and installed my os on it, and now have my 1 terabyte 850 Evo as storage and game drive. This thing is sick now with 1500mb/s write and 2500mb/s read lol.

I updated the initial 3 posts with my overclocking results on a few programs. smile.gif
     
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