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I understand what you were going for now. I apologize for my rudeness concerning said advice. redface.gif

But yeah, laptop GPUs are things that you really gotta be careful with, especially since they tend to run quite a bit warmer than the equivalent desktop parts... Even passively cooled desktop parts may run cooler than the actively cooled laptop versions, though those are the lower-end segments usually.

But yea, I've had to dial back my memory clocks a bit. I can bench at 1350/6000 (core/memory) but I'm only stable at 1350/5800, which doesn't really make a difference in games, just shaves off around 60ish points in 3DMark 11. tongue.gif Losing even one point is like taking a punch to the gut for overclockers it seems; no matter how high or low said overclock is.... dialing back is always hard to swallow. tongue.gif

My only point by that and my own experience is sometimes memory overclocking does damage the memory. However, I haven't seen much of that actually being true with GDDR5, only DDR3 which I believe IMHO is much more sensitive to high overclocking/errors. Is 1350MHz the max overclock on the core? Max stable or max you can overclock?

Do you have any throttling issues with the CPU during GPU benchmarks? Have you tried using ThrottleStop during benchmarks? I noticed on my laptop that, even though my CPU wasn't a bottleneck and was downclocking during benchmarks, I'd get much higher scores with throttlestop enabled locking the core clock higher... Maybe it had something to do with allowing more bandwidth? Maybe try that! thumb.gif

@Imglidinhere, truly great thread with great information! It's great finally getting some good hands on laptop review. I've been studying the XPS 15 and even though its got 2GB GDDR5 unfortunately, I believe you can easily run the laptop with the back cover off, which will be great because I'll be able to use my thermal gun to check for hotspots on the laptop by the GPU and CPU for additional cooling. It'd be great to know of components that might be leading to a bottleneck in power delivery that have the potential to be cooled!
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I understand what you were going for now. I apologize for my rudeness concerning said advice. redface.gif

But yeah, laptop GPUs are things that you really gotta be careful with, especially since they tend to run quite a bit warmer than the equivalent desktop parts... Even passively cooled desktop parts may run cooler than the actively cooled laptop versions, though those are the lower-end segments usually.

But yea, I've had to dial back my memory clocks a bit. I can bench at 1350/6000 (core/memory) but I'm only stable at 1350/5800, which doesn't really make a difference in games, just shaves off around 60ish points in 3DMark 11. tongue.gif Losing even one point is like taking a punch to the gut for overclockers it seems; no matter how high or low said overclock is.... dialing back is always hard to swallow. tongue.gif

All good bud, I know it was just a little misunderstanding is all. Just like to see people get their moneys worth out of these machines we buy and make the companies rich lol.

1350mhz on the core??? You flashed your Vbios to a custom one? Or had someone make you a custom Vbios? Didn't think you could go that high without a custom Vbios. Care to share what you did there. That's a great core clock for sure thumb.gif
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All good bud, I know it was just a little misunderstanding is all. Just like to see people get their moneys worth out of these machines we buy and make the companies rich lol.

1350mhz on the core??? You flashed your Vbios to a custom one? Or had someone make you a custom Vbios? Didn't think you could go that high without a custom Vbios. Care to share what you did there. That's a great core clock for sure thumb.gif

It's including the boost speeds I see. The vBIOS is locked so I can't extract it, so I'm limited to the preset maximum limitations of +135 for the core.
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My only point by that and my own experience is sometimes memory overclocking does damage the memory. However, I haven't seen much of that actually being true with GDDR5, only DDR3 which I believe IMHO is much more sensitive to high overclocking/errors. Is 1350MHz the max overclock on the core? Max stable or max you can overclock?

Do you have any throttling issues with the CPU during GPU benchmarks? Have you tried using ThrottleStop during benchmarks? I noticed on my laptop that, even though my CPU wasn't a bottleneck and was downclocking during benchmarks, I'd get much higher scores with throttlestop enabled locking the core clock higher... Maybe it had something to do with allowing more bandwidth? Maybe try that! thumb.gif

@Imglidinhere, truly great thread with great information! It's great finally getting some good hands on laptop review. I've been studying the XPS 15 and even though its got 2GB GDDR5 unfortunately, I believe you can easily run the laptop with the back cover off, which will be great because I'll be able to use my thermal gun to check for hotspots on the laptop by the GPU and CPU for additional cooling. It'd be great to know of components that might be leading to a bottleneck in power delivery that have the potential to be cooled!

I have no temperature issues with any game or program. My apologies on the lack of information given, I'm getting over a pretty heavy bout of some sickness, soon to pass thankfully. I'll resume updating the thread as soon as I'm better.

I'd highly recommend looking for a model that has 4GB Vram if you plan on doing any gaming. Sniper Elite: Zombie Army Trilogy was topping out at 2.5GB usage during a rather idle scene indoors and... nearing 3GB when in really heavy fights. All at maximum details mind you, but the 960M is very capable of using 4GB of Vram without much issue. It's less reliant on the horsepower of the GPU, I've noticed, and more reliant on the game engine being played.
     
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What's the base speeds of your 960m?? I don't remember mine going anywhere near 1350's. I was more around 1175 ish when boosted I though. Maybe i'm wrong lol. I had the 960m first, and then 3 different 970m's after that. My 970m has a base speed of 924 and boosted to 1038, or with the +135mhz goes to 1059 base and 1173 boost. That's with stock Vbios. Haven't flashed my MSI yet as it's playing just fine as is really. I don't see the point in pushing this laptop to the point of melt down, even if the temps are fine LOL.

I'll tell you guys this, when I was on a custom Vbios on the Asus G752 and had the Core Clocked to 1300mhz and running Firestrike runs, my temps on the gpu was only around 70-72c at load during the tests, but after about 4 or 5 runs in a row, I started to smell that NASTY burning electronics smell that you can tell that something was frying inside and was about to go BOOM lol tongue.gif .. After I smelled that smell, I shut down the test instantly and then I flashed my Vbios back to stock. Everything seemed to be working just fine and didn't lose any performance or anything. That and with the issues of the NVMe ssd's not working right, I just returned that laptop and got the MSI GT72 and have been very happy since. I'm sure you guys know that nasty smell of burning electronics LOL, I've smelt that many times in my life from various things LOL biggrin.gif
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What's the base speeds of your 960m?? I don't remember mine going anywhere near 1350's. I was more around 1175 ish when boosted I though. Maybe i'm wrong lol. I had the 960m first, and then 3 different 970m's after that. My 970m has a base speed of 924 and boosted to 1038, or with the +135mhz goes to 1059 base and 1173 boost. That's with stock Vbios. Haven't flashed my MSI yet as it's playing just fine as is really. I don't see the point in pushing this laptop to the point of melt down, even if the temps are fine LOL.

I'll tell you guys this, when I was on a custom Vbios on the Asus G752 and had the Core Clocked to 1300mhz and running Firestrike runs, my temps on the gpu was only around 70-72c at load during the tests, but after about 4 or 5 runs in a row, I started to smell that NASTY burning electronics smell that you can tell that something was frying inside and was about to go BOOM lol tongue.gif .. After I smelled that smell, I shut down the test instantly and then I flashed my Vbios back to stock. Everything seemed to be working just fine and didn't lose any performance or anything. That and with the issues of the NVMe ssd's not working right, I just returned that laptop and got the MSI GT72 and have been very happy since. I'm sure you guys know that nasty smell of burning electronics LOL, I've smelt that many times in my life from various things LOL biggrin.gif


Probably the vrm area melting ahahha biggrin.gif
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What's the base speeds of your 960m?? I don't remember mine going anywhere near 1350's. I was more around 1175 ish when boosted I though. Maybe i'm wrong lol. I had the 960m first, and then 3 different 970m's after that. My 970m has a base speed of 924 and boosted to 1038, or with the +135mhz goes to 1059 base and 1173 boost. That's with stock Vbios. Haven't flashed my MSI yet as it's playing just fine as is really. I don't see the point in pushing this laptop to the point of melt down, even if the temps are fine LOL.

I'll tell you guys this, when I was on a custom Vbios on the Asus G752 and had the Core Clocked to 1300mhz and running Firestrike runs, my temps on the gpu was only around 70-72c at load during the tests, but after about 4 or 5 runs in a row, I started to smell that NASTY burning electronics smell that you can tell that something was frying inside and was about to go BOOM lol tongue.gif .. After I smelled that smell, I shut down the test instantly and then I flashed my Vbios back to stock. Everything seemed to be working just fine and didn't lose any performance or anything. That and with the issues of the NVMe ssd's not working right, I just returned that laptop and got the MSI GT72 and have been very happy since. I'm sure you guys know that nasty smell of burning electronics LOL, I've smelt that many times in my life from various things LOL biggrin.gif


Probably the vrm area melting ahahha biggrin.gif

My buddies old old old gateway died with very little overclock. I'm sure it had an ancient gpu in it but it'd artifact on boot. Lol. I've clocked my gpu from 500mhz upto 850mhz before it crashes and it's still fine. Lol I think nvidia limited the chip so much on power draw... 0.90v on load is pretty wimpy. Lol
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Lots of good info from you all on this Dell, made it easy to pull the trigger on buying one yesterday, $799 on Amazon. Will be here tomorrow. Seems like a great bang for the buck laptop.

Sam
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Probably the vrm area melting ahahha biggrin.gif

I wouldn't doubt it at all LOL biggrin.gif
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My buddies old old old gateway died with very little overclock. I'm sure it had an ancient gpu in it but it'd artifact on boot. Lol. I've clocked my gpu from 500mhz upto 850mhz before it crashes and it's still fine. Lol I think nvidia limited the chip so much on power draw... 0.90v on load is pretty wimpy. Lol

Yeah, that sounds just like a memory chip issue there. Most of the gpu's that did that for me was the Gtx260's and 280's. I went through 5 Gtx280's in 1 week from Microcenter from overclocking them too high lol. I kept turning up the memory, even going slowly at only 10-25mhz at a time, but as soon as I pushed past the point of it not liking it and seen an artifact on the screen, it was there for good. Wouldn't go away at all. Sucked big time. I took back the last one and from then on didn't really touch the memory that much and back then with those cards the memory overclock was very minimal anyways. You might get an extra 1-2% in performance, where as the core clock from being on water and getting an extra 300mhz + was getting me around 20-30% more performance. I agree with the post about it being the older GDDR3 memory chips doing that. Those weren't as good as the new GDDR5 chips we have now. Never seen that issue on the new chips and also now we are getting a lot more performance out of clocking the memory higher. I get an extra 10% out of clocking my gpu core on my MSI GT72, and also get 10% more on clocking the memory. That's sweet that the memory overclocks are netting us that much performance now I say.

It's almost hard to damage a gpu these days lol. So many safety measures taken with them biggrin.gif
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Lots of good info from you all on this Dell, made it easy to pull the trigger on buying one yesterday, $799 on Amazon. Will be here tomorrow. Seems like a great bang for the buck laptop.

Sam

It really is. I love mine. It's nice to finally have a smaller machine...
     
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It really is. I love mine. It's nice to finally have a smaller machine...

Yeah my main rig is a i7-6770k, 16Gb, GTX980Ti, massive Noctua cooler in a almost server sized case (Rosewill Blackhawk Ultra). Be nice to have something I can game on sitting in the recliner now and then.

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