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I never brought up ddr4 bud lol I just mentioned 2133mhz because that's the most you can get out sodimm without an overclock. His platform has DDR3L, which was the first point addressed in my last post.

Look up Kingston Impact 2133Mhz when you get a chance, They have both DDR3L and DDR4.

Anyways hi speed memory has been shown to help cpu overhead in scenarios that hit the cpu hard. There is a thread on ocn by Bradley showing his findings. It will be different in each case naturally though. Is it something I would say to run out and go do right now? nah, but your itching for some FPS in CPU limited area's it might be worth looking into.

Here is the link for the RAM differences, depends on the scenario of course. Average minimums get a 4-10 FPS improvement.

LOL, my bad. I seen you say DDR3 in the sentence before, then saying 2133mhz. All the new systems that are on Skylake platform are 2133mhz default and I slipped there thinking you meant going to DDR4 because of the speed you said. It was late and I was tired, but yes my mistake there. Others has posted to pull the DDR3 out and put DDR4 in on some other threads I've been in and thought that's what was going on there for a sec. Sorry bout that redface.gif

But then yeah, I agree about moving up from 1600mhz to 2133mhz also, especially seeing those video's where the OP's cpu was pegged at 100%. That should help a ton. Also in the mishaps of thinking you meant going from DDR3 to DDR4, when I looked on Dell's site, I noticed that this laptop in all models came only with 1 stick of Ram and all of them are running "single channel" memory. Getting a pair of DDR3 2133mhz low latency sticks should help a good bit, especially going to "dual channel" memory setup as well. I would be all over doing that. I can't run single channel in any pc I have. That would just make me go nuts and bother me every time I turned it on LOL.

Again TheReciever, my bad, simple mistake of being tired as hell buttkick.gif
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Does it have a significantly higher impact as 2133mhz over just the standard 1600mhz? o.O

It sure can bud. I would want to get into dual channel as fast as possible if it were me and I was playing games on it.

I have a good question for you tho and this may help you out too. If that SSD in your laptop is a Samsung like most companies are putting in right now, you might be able to use the Samsung Magician Software and then with 16gigs of Ram, you can enable RAPID mode and that will dedicate 4gigs of your system Ram as a cache drive for the SSD and make it have burst speeds around 10-14 times faster than the 500-550mb/s speeds of Sata SSD's. Not sure if it will work on the SSD you have or not, but definitely worth a try.

Here's a pic of RAPID on my Samsung 850 Evo when I was running that before I just installed the 950 Pro. You can see it's getting WAY MORE speed than the 540mb/s read and 520mb/s writes that it's rated at. It seriously made things a lot faster.

Looks like a benchmark bug to me. From what I've seen the XPS has a PCIE enabled m.2 port which can accept the m.2 Samsung 850 series SSD's that go upto like 1500-2500mb/sec reads..crazy! I'd love to have that in my system! i7-6700HQ, samsung SSD with over 1k mb/sec reads + external GPU via TB3...lol heaven... ok back to earth.

Yea, seems like alot of people don't repaste the laptops but from what I've seen, it just lowers their fan profile curve and doesn't really decrease the overall temps... Only custom fan profiles would really show a benefit.
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Looks like a benchmark bug to me. From what I've seen the XPS has a PCIE enabled m.2 port which can accept the m.2 Samsung 850 series SSD's that go upto like 1500-2500mb/sec reads..crazy! I'd love to have that in my system! i7-6700HQ, samsung SSD with over 1k mb/sec reads + external GPU via TB3...lol heaven... ok back to earth.

Yea, seems like alot of people don't repaste the laptops but from what I've seen, it just lowers their fan profile curve and doesn't really decrease the overall temps... Only custom fan profiles would really show a benefit.

No, that's no bug there in those results. That's the speeds that my GT72 was getting with that 850 Evo "WHEN" I had the RAPID option enabled in Samsung Magician Software. RAPID mode takes 4gigs of your system Ram and uses it as a cache drive for your SSD. Thus making a 4gig hard drive out of my DDR4 2133mhz Ram, which is way faster than any SSD is. That's why the speeds are 12-14 times faster than the rated speeds of the SSD. You can feel the difference too BIG TIME in the hard drive benchmarks too. Those take a certain amount of time to run the tests on the hard drive to determine the transfer speeds. The tests take about 1/10 the time as it did with RAPID mode off. Same goes for when you go to a NVMe SSD like my 950 Pro that's PCI-e. That drive gets me 2550mb/s read and 1550mb/s writes. That's 5 times faster and the tests are 1/5 the amount of time to run. You can see it big time there the most, but you can feel the system being way more snappy than just using a regular Sata3 SSD that's getting 500-550mb/s..

Also I agree on the repasting the TIM. The laptops are set to run at a certain temp. The fans will change RPM's to keep it at those temp curves and if the TIM does a better job, the fans will just spin at less RPM's for the most part. Under Load, you might get a few degrees better temps tho. That's possible. But I'm sure your idle temps will be pretty much the same. Would have to test that to see for sure, but I'm with you on that one.
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Looks like a benchmark bug to me. From what I've seen the XPS has a PCIE enabled m.2 port which can accept the m.2 Samsung 850 series SSD's that go upto like 1500-2500mb/sec reads..crazy! I'd love to have that in my system! i7-6700HQ, samsung SSD with over 1k mb/sec reads + external GPU via TB3...lol heaven... ok back to earth.

Yea, seems like alot of people don't repaste the laptops but from what I've seen, it just lowers their fan profile curve and doesn't really decrease the overall temps... Only custom fan profiles would really show a benefit.

No, that's no bug there in those results. That's the speeds that my GT72 was getting with that 850 Evo "WHEN" I had the RAPID option enabled in Samsung Magician Software. RAPID mode takes 4gigs of your system Ram and uses it as a cache drive for your SSD. Thus making a 4gig hard drive out of my DDR4 2133mhz Ram, which is way faster than any SSD is. That's why the speeds are 12-14 times faster than the rated speeds of the SSD. You can feel the difference too BIG TIME in the hard drive benchmarks too. Those take a certain amount of time to run the tests on the hard drive to determine the transfer speeds. The tests take about 1/10 the time as it did with RAPID mode off. Same goes for when you go to a NVMe SSD like my 950 Pro that's PCI-e. That drive gets me 2550mb/s read and 1550mb/s writes. That's 5 times faster and the tests are 1/5 the amount of time to run. You can see it big time there the most, but you can feel the system being way more snappy than just using a regular Sata3 SSD that's getting 500-550mb/s..

Also I agree on the repasting the TIM. The laptops are set to run at a certain temp. The fans will change RPM's to keep it at those temp curves and if the TIM does a better job, the fans will just spin at less RPM's for the most part. Under Load, you might get a few degrees better temps tho. That's possible. But I'm sure your idle temps will be pretty much the same. Would have to test that to see for sure, but I'm with you on that one.

Right, forgot about the "rapid" mode with using the system ram. Makes sense.
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Right, forgot about the "rapid" mode with using the system ram. Makes sense.

That RAPID mode is awesome with the samsung drives. It's the only thing keeping me from moving all my drives to NVMe drives now lol. It does make a difference and it is noticeable for sure thumb.gif
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@Imglidinhere, have you played around with Intel's XTU??? People over on the notebook forums say that you can massively undervolt the CPU with it. I'm not sure what it looks like at all but people with the i7-6700HQ have had good luck with a -150mV undervolt with no performance drop and looks like the i5-6300HQ is around -100mV. That's an entire 0.100 volt if its stable, which is pretty impressive IMHO. What's your vcore max on load with that 6300HQ? People have reported also a great improvement in temps. Might be worth exploring. You can set XTU to apply the undervolt on boot so you're not messing with it all the time too. thumb.gif
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@Imglidinhere, have you played around with Intel's XTU??? People over on the notebook forums say that you can massively undervolt the CPU with it. I'm not sure what it looks like at all but people with the i7-6700HQ have had good luck with a -150mV undervolt with no performance drop and looks like the i5-6300HQ is around -100mV. That's an entire 0.100 volt if its stable, which is pretty impressive IMHO. What's your vcore max on load with that 6300HQ? People have reported also a great improvement in temps. Might be worth exploring. You can set XTU to apply the undervolt on boot so you're not messing with it all the time too. thumb.gif

Yeah, XTU is pretty good software. If you "under-volt" things should be pretty good. Be VERY CAREFUL if you decide to add voltage and overclock anything. I kinda don't recommend it on a laptop. The VRM's on the laptop mobo's aren't built for heavy overclocking really and you might fry something out. Wouldn't want to see that happen, especially with how much you seem to be liking your new laptop. That will turn a biggrin.gif to a mad.gif really fast LOL... I didn't think I could do any harm with overclocking my GPU on the Asus G752, but with the custom Vbios and raising the power limits just a little bit, I was only running around +50 - +75mv with a little higher Power limits when I started to smell some nasty electronic burning smells lol. As soon as that happened I backed right off before something did melt down.

XTU does have the ability to do that if you aren't careful when trying to push things a little. I know Cakewalk was only talking about Under-volting and not overclocking, but just wanted to toss out a warning if you decided to tempt your luck. My MSI GT72 allows for overclocking and over-volting VIA the bios, but I'm being very cautious with that. I will not add any extra voltage at all. I like this thing to much to try destroying it for just a little extra cpu performance that's not even needed for anything. Yeah, big numbers are cool and all, but big numbers on a dead laptop isn't that cool at all HAHA
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There's no reason to use XTU on this i5. Temps are so low as is that there's absolutely zero benefit to undervolting. Also, unrelated, I'm better now so I'll be continuing said review. Temps and other things incoming too. smile.gif
     
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There's no reason to use XTU on this i5. Temps are so low as is that there's absolutely zero benefit to undervolting. Also, unrelated, I'm better now so I'll be continuing said review. Temps and other things incoming too. smile.gif

Undervolting while maintaining stable clocks and no performance hit is always a benefit, not only for the temperatures but for a lower power consumption. You definitely should give it a try. I'll be giving it a try in <6 months when I eventually get the XPS 15....
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Personally I would rather NOT have XTU running if there's no need. I'd only be using it to aid in Overclocking if any, but that's only for few benchmark runs at most. I see the benefits in Undervolting, but if there's no heat issues, why bother with the extra software that's taking up resources right? Now if your cpu was hitting high temps, that's a different story, but the way mine runs, I'd rather it be running as it's intended to run. I have no issues at all, and I am able to run all the way up to 4.1ghz with no added voltage at all to need stability. I'm sure I could undervolt a bit, but I'd rather be VERY stable, than to be on the line of unstability personally. To each their own on that subject tho biggrin.gif

Glad to hear you are feeling better OP. There's a lot of sickness going around right now it seems. Many at my work are sick and I'm doing everything I can to try to not catch anything. I can't, or I should say don't want to be sick and have to miss any work because that would take away from my toy fund thumb.gif .. Hope all is well and you get back to the review as you want to..
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XTU has been shown to force more accurate voltage behavior compared to BIOS in laptops which is why its practically the go to application to that end.
    
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