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Isn't a full custom loop with the same radiator would yield maybe 1-2 degree better than those Corsair CLC?

I'm not familiar with more recent Corsair CLC setups, however, a while ago replacing the tubing yielded a far larger temperature drop than that on the Corsair CLC's.

There is many things going for a custom loop over CLC. From top of my head:
* using normally distilled water over antifreeze (can be up to ~10.. 15% difference, function of other factors in loop like pump)
* larger tubing (anything under about 8 mm inner diameter is increasingly more restrictive)
* normally stronger pump
* normally no mixed metals (so can get away with water without galvanic corrosion)
* larger amount of coolant and existence of res (adding a res to corsair CLC was also a thing a while ago).
* copper is used in critical parts (CLC normally has a copper cpu block and aluminum radiators).
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63 Celsius at 100% full load? and at 4.8ghz what voltage?

1.38v 24/7 in a carbide 500r case. i imagine if i didn't have the 200mm intake and 280mm top out and another 140mm on the back as out, it would be much hotter, but like I said, I also have 3 140mm fans on my NH-D14, its actually not as loud as you would think it would be xD very quiet indeed, Noctua fans and the corsair 200mm makes no noise even on high.
    
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post #33 of 113
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Isn't a full custom loop with the same radiator would yield maybe 1-2 degree better than those Corsair CLC?

Hard to say, that would depend on the radiator, and don't assume all 240 rads are created equal. Better radiators may be copper finned 2 pass, and much thicker. I believe the h100i is only around 29mm aluminum. I wouldn't bother using the rad from the h100i with a separate loop unless I was planning to use all aluminum to avoid corrosion. You can do much better for $50-75 but a personal guess would be much more than 2C difference under load with an overclock using that same rad and fans mainly due to the very weak pump in this CLC. I can personally feel the heat in the tubing close to the block because the water pressure is so low. There is also much to gain with a h100i from swapping out the stock (already loud fans) for extremely loud Delta 5500RPM fans (I've tested this). If you're talking dissipating high heat loads under a major overclock, the difference between an h100i and a good custom loop is going to be massive.

I can't speak for the higher end units like h110i but as far as I know there is just no contest, you get what you pay for with cooling.

Also don't forget the pump on the h100i simply cannot cover more than a CPU, so this is leaving out a full loop dropping GPU temps massively, which will also have a positive impact on your cpu temps (provided you have enough flow and radiator space to adequately dissipate all of the heat).
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post #34 of 113
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No AIO/CLC can touch the cooling performance of a custom loop. That's just a fact. If you're more into AIO units, this kit is obviously not for you. Watercooling is a hobby and a passion, and while it's not for everyone, it's here to stay until they can shrink PCs down to the a size where watercooling wouldn't even be possible.
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Just buy a corsair kit and be done with it. Great warranty and products. No need for this. Just my 0.02

I'm in the same mindset, as much as custom watercooling is an attractive solution not only from a thermal perspective but aestheticlly too. I have yet to do it purely because of the amount of time and labour involved, and god forbid you have a hardware failure. As stripping the entire thing down would be serious chore...

GPU's are all that need watercooling these days, but i'd be so nervous doing it to my rig being a novice in that area. I'd be constantly worrying about something leaking rather than relaxing and enjoying the system. My 1st AIO was a Swiftech H20 some years ago, and that thing leaked due to a faulty block. And with the recent EK Predator units being recalled due to around 10% of units leaking, doesn't build much confidence to us novices when a company that's pretty much No1 in the watercooling industry has design flaws. Christ, if you can't rely on EK who can you?
 
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Calling it ultimate and then providing soft tubing is a bit misleading.
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Calling it ultimate and then providing soft tubing is a bit misleading.

Did you miss the part where this is for first timers?

Want to discourage someone from water cooling? Have them do their first ever build with rigid tubing.
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Did you miss the part where this is for first timers?

Want to discourage someone from water cooling? Have them do their first ever build with rigid tubing.

Kits are only for first-timers?

Rigid tubing doesn't take a degree in rocket science. Lots of people use rigid tubing for their first builds. Getting primoshill soft tubing to go onto compression barbs can be a major pain in zee a. Watching your tubing cloud over time is a drag. Dealing with plasticizer is horrible.

What people new to watercooling don't know is that they should strongly consider NEVER dealing with soft tubing to begin with.
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Kits are only for first-timers?

Rigid tubing doesn't take a degree in rocket science. Lots of people use rigid tubing for their first builds. Getting primoshill soft tubing to go onto compression barbs can be a major pain in zee a. Watching your tubing cloud over time is a drag. Dealing with plasticizer is horrible.

What people new to watercooling don't know is that they should strongly consider NEVER dealing with soft tubing to begin with.

My opinion differs from yours. Rigid, while superior for the reasons you stated, requires you to know precisely how you plan on doing your lay out ahead of time and give you zero margin for error. There are too many little things people doing their first loop don't know without first hand experience. The first build never lasts long as there is always something that needs to be changed, added, or reversed.

Something simple like having your fans set to exhaust instead of intake can lead to having to re-bend half of your tubes, or not giving yourself enough space to properly run your cables. All things that can be avoided by going soft tubing.

Now, once you have a couple builds under your belt, you can properly plan a custom loop without any issues, that's when you go rigid.

Obviously that's just an opinion, but installing rigid tubing being more time consuming and difficult than soft tubing is a fact. I'm of the opinion that when you first start doing something, you should simplify it as much as possible and in this situation that would be soft tubing.




And yes, this kit is for beginners. If you already have a custom loop, you already have a pump and/or rads, fans, fittings, tubing, blocks, etc. etc. so buying this kit is pointless.


edit: The tubing they are using is actually really good and none of the issues that come up with soft tubing will show up before the loop has been taken apart for adding more to it because, lets be honest, it's addictive. Anyone who gets this kit will be ordering GPU blocks, more rads, etc. etc. in a few months anyways.
Edited by DNMock - 1/28/16 at 8:26am
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Why did they go with Heatkiller IV Pro instead of EK Supremacy EVO? The ek looks way better and performance is on par.
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