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I honestly believe these kits are only put together to save hassle when dealing with customers who need help to get the parts they need. Instead of helping each person on an individual basis, they will just refer inexperienced users to this "kit", do the saleman pitch, and they won't have to do anything like help make sure certain parts go together, will this work with this, etc. type customers. Which I am sure they get a ton of now that WCing is a lot bigger than it used to be. I highly doubt the consumer's ease of entry into the WCing world had anything to do with it...more ease of getting consumers to enter the WCing world...on the sellers end. I mean, if it saves a few bucks for some people, cool...but I don't think that's why this exists.
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I honestly believe these kits are only put together to save hassle when dealing with customers who need help to get the parts they need. Instead of helping each person on an individual basis, they will just refer inexperienced users to this "kit", do the saleman pitch, and they won't have to do anything like help make sure certain parts go together, will this work with this, etc. type customers. Which I am sure they get a ton of now that WCing is a lot bigger than it used to be. I highly doubt the consumer's ease of entry into the WCing world had anything to do with it...more ease of getting consumers to enter the WCing world...on the sellers end. I mean, if it saves a few bucks for some people, cool...but I don't think that's why this exists.

I dont think water cooling is for people that dont want to put the time and effort to learning about it. In the long run you are more knowledgeable about the parts. For me at first water cooling was very hard to learn but that was back in 2007. Now its super easy.
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Did you miss the part where this is for first timers?

Want to discourage someone from water cooling? Have them do their first ever build with rigid tubing.

Kits are only for first-timers?

Rigid tubing doesn't take a degree in rocket science. Lots of people use rigid tubing for their first builds. Getting primoshill soft tubing to go onto compression barbs can be a major pain in zee a. Watching your tubing cloud over time is a drag. Dealing with plasticizer is horrible.

What people new to watercooling don't know is that they should strongly consider NEVER dealing with soft tubing to begin with.

For the people who are going to buy a pre-selected parts "kit" soft tubing is going to be the way to direct them. If someone is really interested in custom watercooling they would skip over these kits and research their own parts, and determine if soft tubing or rigid tubing is the way they want to go.

Kit = most of the decisions made, easy to put together, everything compatible, limited part choices

Custom = research and design entire loop layout and parts, parts selection is wide open, difficulty constructing loop determined by your skill and research put into it

This kit seems to be a half-way house between CLC and full on custom loops.
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lol 500 bucks

I once tried watercooling. Not ever again,not worth the money.
General or personal opinion?
Either way, why bother putting yourself in a box? Especially on a forum where some peoples video cards cost more than others full computer builds.
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I mean if I change something in the loop, changing the position of the G 1/4". I can take a tube out and shorten it and/or use another tube if it needs to be lengthened, eliminating the need of having to deal pulling out the heat gun, Jig, taking half a dozen measurements and hoping the bend goes right.
If you think $500 will get you the Ferrari of water cooling, I have bad news for you...




Edit: Just did some quick math in my head from eyeballing what's all included in the kit. Looks like it's probably about $50 or so bucks cheaper than buying all the stuff individually.
Someone mentioned it was more expensive, if it in fact is cheaper that is great news.
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General or personal opinion?
Either way, why bother putting yourself in a box? Especially on a forum where some peoples video cards cost more than others full computer builds.
Someone mentioned it was more expensive, if it in fact is cheaper that is great news.

maybe this evening I'll go and actually build a cart with all those things in it. I was just looking at the included products and deducing things off the top of my head, like $20 for a GT15 fan, $120 for a SR2 360mm rad, etc. etc.
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Why did they go with Heatkiller IV Pro instead of EK Supremacy EVO? The ek looks way better and performance is on par.
The Heatkiller has a better mount system, I think, and the block itself is, from a raw build quality standpoint, one of the best out there right now if not the absolute best.
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I honestly believe these kits are only put together to save hassle when dealing with customers who need help to get the parts they need. Instead of helping each person on an individual basis, they will just refer inexperienced users to this "kit", do the saleman pitch, and they won't have to do anything like help make sure certain parts go together, will this work with this, etc. type customers. Which I am sure they get a ton of now that WCing is a lot bigger than it used to be. I highly doubt the consumer's ease of entry into the WCing world had anything to do with it...more ease of getting consumers to enter the WCing world...on the sellers end. I mean, if it saves a few bucks for some people, cool...but I don't think that's why this exists.
The kit market's been that way for a while now, honestly. Swiftech and XSPC really kicked it off back in the day and it hasn't slowed down since. The XtremeRigs kit is more or less for people that want a kit without cheaping out, though I did just notice it only includes 10 feet of tubing; for larger cases where the parts are spaced further apart this doesn't leave much margin of error, it should include 15-20 feet. Too much is much more useful than too little, especially if you add more parts to the loop later.
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My opinion differs from yours. Rigid, while superior for the reasons you stated, requires you to know precisely how you plan on doing your lay out ahead of time and give you zero margin for error. There are too many little things people doing their first loop don't know without first hand experience. The first build never lasts long as there is always something that needs to be changed, added, or reversed.

Something simple like having your fans set to exhaust instead of intake can lead to having to re-bend half of your tubes, or not giving yourself enough space to properly run your cables. All things that can be avoided by going soft tubing.

Now, once you have a couple builds under your belt, you can properly plan a custom loop without any issues, that's when you go rigid.

Obviously that's just an opinion, but installing rigid tubing being more time consuming and difficult than soft tubing is a fact. I'm of the opinion that when you first start doing something, you should simplify it as much as possible and in this situation that would be soft tubing.

And yes, this it is for beginners. If you already have a custom loop, you already have a pump and/or rads, fans, fittings, tubing, blocks, etc. etc. so buying this kit is pointless.


edit: The tubing they are using is actually really good and none of the issues that come up with soft tubing will show up before the loop has been taken apart for adding more to it because, lets be honest, it's addictive. Anyone who gets this kit will be ordering GPU blocks, more rads, etc. etc. in a few months anyways.

Your points are all pretty solid, man--as always. The thing is--kits would be great if you are doing a separate system, or a system for someone else. I have a lot of spare things, but I don't have spare radiators and pumps at this point. I could totally imagine using a kit... if it was for hardline--and hopefully save money doing it.

I think I was being short-sided, probably, but I do wish I had never messed with soft-tubing. I'd like to think if you can competently put together a system using soft tubing, you could pretty much just as easily do acrylic without ever having to personally find out why soft tubing *can* really suck.

Also, PC Advanced LRT has plenty of problems for lots of people--ALL tubing including LRT Adv has plasticizer in it. No matter what you do--clear soft tubing does not stay clear.
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Your points are all pretty solid, man--as always. The thing is--kits would be great if you are doing a separate system, or a system for someone else. I have a lot of spare things, but I don't have spare radiators and pumps at this point. I could totally imagine using a kit... if it was for hardline--and hopefully save money doing it.

I think I was being short-sided, probably, but I do wish I had never messed with soft-tubing. I'd like to think if you can competently put together a system using soft tubing, you could pretty much just as easily do acrylic without ever having to personally find out why soft tubing *can* really suck.

Also, PC Advanced LRT has plenty of problems for lots of people--ALL tubing including LRT Adv has plasticizer in it. No matter what you do--clear soft tubing does not stay clear.

Do clear Rigid tubing like PETG stay clear ?
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Kits are only for first-timers?

Rigid tubing doesn't take a degree in rocket science. Lots of people use rigid tubing for their first builds. Getting primoshill soft tubing to go onto compression barbs can be a major pain in zee a. Watching your tubing cloud over time is a drag. Dealing with plasticizer is horrible.

What people new to watercooling don't know is that they should strongly consider NEVER dealing with soft tubing to begin with.

That's the great thing about Primochill's Advanced LRT tubing, no plasticizer or clouding issues to deal with. After tearing down the old loop after a year, did not notice any plasticizer build up, and tubing stayed clear like it was on day one.

Getting the tubing onto barbs is a pain if you don't preheat the tubing to soften it, but as long as you do it goes on without too much force.

I actually prefer soft tubing for another reason: soft tubing goes onto barbs, so at least subjectively it feels more secure to me. Whereas for rigid tubing all that stands between your hardware and water is an O ring or two.
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Do clear Rigid tubing like PETG stay clear ?

Pretty sure they do.
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