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Pretty sure they do.

But isn't PETG tubing is plastic just like soft tubing? So why PETG can stay clear, but plastic tubing cannot?
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But isn't PETG tubing is plastic just like soft tubing? So why PETG can stay clear, but plastic tubing cannot?

My guess is that most plastic tubing have pores that cause clouding issues, acrylic hard lines do not have such pores.
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That's the great thing about Primochill's Advanced LRT tubing, no plasticizer or clouding issues to deal with. After tearing down the old loop after a year, did not notice any plasticizer build up, and tubing stayed clear like it was on day one.

That's what I thought at first, but it does have some faint clouding and if you use any type of dyes, you will see the inside of the tubing gets slightly stained (such is the nature of dyes). My Advanced LRT tubing is almost 2.5 years old now and does retain most of its clearness when the loop is up and running, however whenever I drain my coolant, it is very apparent that the inside of the tube is yellowish. It's still clear enough that I won't replace the tubing, but I did want to share my experience using Mayhem's Pastel (White that got dyed with a whole bottle of Blue dye).
    
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My guess is that most plastic tubing have pores that cause clouding issues, acrylic hard lines do not have such pores.
That's what I thought at first, but it does have some faint clouding and if you use any type of dyes, you will see the inside of the tubing gets slightly stained (such is the nature of dyes). My Advanced LRT tubing is almost 2.5 years old now and does retain most of its clearness when the loop is up and running, however whenever I drain my coolant, it is very apparent that the inside of the tube is yellowish. It's still clear enough that I won't replace the tubing, but I did want to share my experience using Mayhem's Pastel (White that got dyed with a whole bottle of Blue dye).

I know Acrylic hard tubing doesnt have this "cloud" problem, but I'm talking about PETG tubing, which is "plastic" as well?
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post #74 of 113
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I know Acrylic hard tubing doesnt have this "cloud" problem, but I'm talking about PETG tubing, which is "plastic" as well?
Tons of discussion about this in the watercooling forums. IIRC petg is already cloudy to begin with but you won't see the same effects of soft tubing, if that's what you're asking.
post #75 of 113
While I like the kit overall, I have two beefs with it, and the third is more of a curiosity:

- for an "ultimate" kit, why is it Intel only?
- No option to add a second radiator and fans to go with said second radiator?
- No 140mm based radiators?
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post #76 of 113
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Your points are all pretty solid, man--as always. The thing is--kits would be great if you are doing a separate system, or a system for someone else. I have a lot of spare things, but I don't have spare radiators and pumps at this point. I could totally imagine using a kit... if it was for hardline--and hopefully save money doing it.

I think I was being short-sided, probably, but I do wish I had never messed with soft-tubing. I'd like to think if you can competently put together a system using soft tubing, you could pretty much just as easily do acrylic without ever having to personally find out why soft tubing *can* really suck.

Also, PC Advanced LRT has plenty of problems for lots of people--ALL tubing including LRT Adv has plasticizer in it. No matter what you do--clear soft tubing does not stay clear.

Oh yeah, there are always exceptions to the rule, definitely not saying only beginners would have interest in a kit like this, just that it appears to be geared towards them. I've done a couple builds for friends/family that a kit being available that saved me some time and money would have been awesome.

On the tubing, like I said before, and it is worth saying again, you are absolutely correct, it is definitely a cause for concern in the long run. I was just saying it wouldn't cause any issues in the short span it's used before the upgrade bug bites, at which point replacing the soft tubing with rigid should be considered.
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While I like the kit overall, I have two beefs with it, and the third is more of a curiosity:

- for an "ultimate" kit, why is it Intel only?
- No option to add a second radiator and fans to go with said second radiator?
- No 140mm based radiators?

pretty sure it's just a kit of most commonly used top end products to start someone out. PPC's is the biggest watercooling website in North America, so you can easily find and assemble all the parts needed to do whatever crazy build you would please, just not in a pre-packaged bundle.
Edited by DNMock - 1/28/16 at 8:34pm
post #77 of 113
Just saw this:
PC Adv LRT vs Mayhems


Guess which one is the Primochill Adv LRT?


One month later:



http://www.xtremerigs.net/2015/10/28/extreme-rigs-soft-tubing-test/5/

Couple things though,
They used glycol based coolant, which Primochill doesn't recommend.
The Mayhems tubing is wiping the floor with the PC stuff so far, BUT it has still exhibited some color change.
I've used LRT Adv for about a year. Replaced it 3 or 4 times in that year and it always clouded like this within just a few weeks, even using pure distilled or Mayhems X1.

This begs the question: XTremeRigs has been doing these tests yet includes LRT Adv in the kit. Why?
Edited by electro2u - 1/29/16 at 10:29pm
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Originally Posted by electro2u View Post

Just saw this:
PC Adv LRT vs Mayhems


Guess which one is the Primochill Adv LRT?


One month later:



http://www.xtremerigs.net/2015/10/28/extreme-rigs-soft-tubing-test/5/

Couple things though,
They used glycol based coolant, which Primochill doesn't recommend.
The Mayhems tubing is wiping the floor with the PC stuff so far, BUT it has still exhibited some color change.
I've used LRT Adv for about a year. Replaced it 3 or 4 times in that year and it always clouded like this within just a few weeks, even using pure distilled or Mayhems X1.

This begs the question: XTremeRigs has been doing these tests yet includes LRT Adv in the kit. Why?

So what's the solution to these "cloudness"? Using PETG or ACrylic tubing ?
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post #79 of 113
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So what's the solution to these "cloudness"? Using PETG or ACrylic tubing ?

Get tubing the color you want and forget about using coloured liquid.
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Get tubing the color you want and forget about using coloured liquid.

But it still get clouded, eventhough with colored tubing i just dont see it. So I guess I'm going with PETG tubing smile.gif
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