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Ok so I only want to overclock the cpu, gpu is fine. Ram, NB, and HT are fine.
I have fsb 230 cpu 4.6ghz (amd fx8350) ram 1076mhz NB 2538mhz HT 3000mhz
Cpu voltage 1.4v MB Asus Sabertooth 990FX 2.0

I realise, every cpu is different and not all can reach the same stable overclock. But I have a few questions basically.
First of all, I have used 4 different temp monitoring programs.
Some use only what others call Socket temp, others show socket + cpu temp.
AMD overdrive for example goes by cpu temp.
Corsair link shows both cpu temp an socket temp.
hardware monitor also shows both. etc you get what im saying here.

Now, I can get 4.8 and hold cpu temp at 56 degrees, (on prime) but the socket temp is on average 10degrees hotter, meaning its pushing 66, now i know the cpu max is 62, and socket max is 70.

What I want to try and understand is how does amd expect their "new" 9 series cpu with a higher TDP of i think 220watt? How do they manage a 4.7-5.0 without overheating socket temp.... Because sure I can do a 5.0ghz and play it every day and temps are fine, but things like prime shoot temps threw the roof, the cpu temp no, it has a liquid cooler on it, but the socket temp yes... And I dont see any way to cool the actual socket... So how is amd doing it.... How can I do it....

Not use prime since its a unrealistic load? and when i crash jus make adjustments? because I think if i had the 9 series cpu i would see some serious throttling or otherwise serious temps especially at the socket temps.
btw they recommend my cooler to cool the 4.7ghz 5.0ghz boost clock 9 series cpu, so by that theory the cooler can cool my 8350 to 5ghz easily especially with it being a lower TDP of 125 vs the 220TDP. Or am i mis understanding what TDP is for? to me i thought higher = more heat...

I understand that all cpu are different and might never reach 5.0 stable. but right now all that seems to limit me is temps... Mainly socket temp which after ahwile goes above 10degrees hotter once running prime for ahwile socket temp has reached 68 while cpu is 54 which isnt that bad on prime95 but i always shut the test off since the socket temp is so close to max... while the core can go another 4 degrees without me getting worried of it reaching max. No way to add fan to the back of mb i have thought of that.... And socket temp 14+ degrees hotter after a while on prime... meanwhile if i went solely off amd overdrive it says i have another 12 degrees or so to go because its using core temps.

I dont wanna wreck my nice motherboard :/ I'm curious how guys run 1.5v+ ....
Edited by Donvanhugenstyn - 1/28/16 at 3:59am
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What cooling method are you using?
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Case is NZXT Phantom820

2 200mm intakes, 2 140mm intakes. gpu evga gtx970 which basically just dissipates all heat into case until it heats up enough to turn the fans on.
For the cpu is a Corsair h110i gt with 2 140mm SP corsair fans pushing and 2 140mm HF corsair pulling for aid exhausting out top.
and 1 140mm in rear exhaust. I debated making this a intake but I dont have a screen for it to filter the air... not that older pc's ever did but maybe it will help since its near the rad and cpu.

Just did prime95 for 15min and got this:
cpu clock 4675mhz (fsb 233) 1.416v
AMD FX8350 TEMP 48.8c (max 62, headroom 13.2)
ASUS MOTHERBOARD CPU TEMP 61c (max 72 headroom 11)
difference of 12.2 between each, but that seems to be common and granted the mb has a higher max temp acceptable to me.

Now, The FX9590 with a much higher TDP can achieve 4.7 and 5.0 boost... While my 8350 seems to be maxing my thermals.
I am kinda happy with were its at right now, but wouldnt mind to push it farther if its safe.

Edit: Inside not exhausting or venting but helping the front fan get threw the HDD cage is a 120mm which actually dropped gpu temps 2c and motherboard mainboard temp by 1c so I left it as it does some good even if small. was a extra fan laying around anyways.

Edit #2: FX9590 recommends the h110i gt i believe or the regular h110. So mine should be up for the task.... Atleast 4.8? I guess im almost @ the 4.7 though. And the 5.0ghz turbo to my understanding turns off cores to achieve that, I know the 4.2ghz turbo that come on my 8350 would turn off 4 cores. Probably the same case with the 9590.

Edit #3: I do want this to be a 24/7 clock too. So maybe the current 4675mhz cpu, 3022mhz ht 2571nb and 935mhz ram is good? The ram is gskill 1866 ram and seems happier around stock clocks even after voltage increase, and nb doesnt seem to wan to be higher even with voltage increase. ht also 3000 is max (3200 rated for cpu but no diffence going up to it)
Edited by Donvanhugenstyn - 1/28/16 at 9:09am
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It is normal for the socket to be 10C warmer than the CPU so you are ok there. If you want to cool it more put a fan behind the motherboard blowing on the socket and VRMs. Where is @Mike the owl
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Ok well that would require modding the case and I don't want to cut a hole in the side to do that. I guess I'll have to live with not being able to cool my socket for now.

Atleast it's 4.7ghz it's better than nothing.
I might be able to push more but don't want to I'd rather preserve the components with less heat and voltage.

I'm trying to keep 5°c room while on prime95 so in real world I don't have to worry about temps. Thanks for input I'll leave it as it is then.
Edited by Donvanhugenstyn - 1/28/16 at 3:05pm
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Keep in mind that prime95 set load to your CPU as any other thing can do it...

I suggest you that while primer95 is good to check stability, I would go with test the rig using the normal daily work that you do...games, programs and those stuffs.
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Keep in mind that prime95 set load to your CPU as any other thing can do it...

I suggest you that while primer95 is good to check stability, I would go with test the rig using the normal daily work that you do...games, programs and those stuffs.

So you think it would be ok if I try to get that extra ghz to get a 5.0ghz and test in game. I dont do video stuff or anything just games. and this is just a hobby i have been doing.

Can I do 3dmark 11 and cinebench and heaven benchmark 4.0 as my tests? I understand they are a little more than what gaming does but they're also less stressful than prime.

I've managed to complete all the above benchmarks, then prime has been the one to fail core task or freeze or bsod. But you are right, I dont do anything as stressful as prime.
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An unstable overclock causes errors to build up in your system. They are not noticeable at first but over time can cause all kinds of problems from games not working right to reinstalling the OS. At an absolute minimum you want to pass 10 passes at standard with IBT AVX from the first post in this thread.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1318995/official-fx-8320-fx-8350-vishera-owners-club

20 passes on very high is good enough for every day use.
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So you think it would be ok if I try to get that extra ghz to get a 5.0ghz and test in game. I dont do video stuff or anything just games. and this is just a hobby i have been doing.

Can I do 3dmark 11 and cinebench and heaven benchmark 4.0 as my tests? I understand they are a little more than what gaming does but they're also less stressful than prime.

I've managed to complete all the above benchmarks, then prime has been the one to fail core task or freeze or bsod. But you are right, I dont do anything as stressful as prime.

I would test 1st in the frequency that you currently are, after that and depending of temps that you get you can try to get a little more from the CPU.
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I would test 1st in the frequency that you currently are, after that and depending of temps that you get you can try to get a little more from the CPU.

Test the benchmarks or games? Ok I'll hookup a 2nd monitor to watch temps because the only time i actually watch them is in Prime because its the only thing that makes the Corsair H110i GT fans go full speed.
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