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FUD of the highest order, some piece of crap firm needs to cover their shorts.

Why do you people pull out 'FUD' at every turn, especially when their claims are legit?

Check the math. Their math is straight on.

Pascal is launching in the exact same time window.

If Zen even breaks even, AMD is done.

Don't you people read the source anymore and double check said information BEFORE posting?

This has been obvious for a long time.

 

This article is by one of those Wall Street fraudsters who are trying to rig the market for their own ends. I bet they have bets on this and against in the billions and will make a killing either way.

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Why do you people pull out 'FUD' at every turn, especially when their claims are legit?

Check the math. Their math is straight on.

Pascal is launching in the exact same time window.

If Zen even breaks even, AMD is done.

Don't you people read the source anymore and double check said information BEFORE posting?

No they don't and they probably don't understand much about economics or finance. I TEACH this. I have been PREACHING for 3 years that AMD is in serious trouble and that ONLY Samsung or IBM could pull them out. Folks, Zen has to curbstomp the market in order for AMD to come out of this year without being in serious financial trouble (bankruptcy) their debt to revenue ratio is absurdly high.
 
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This has been obvious for a long time.

This article is by one of those Wall Street fraudsters who are trying to rig the market for their own ends. I bet they have bets on this and against in the billions and will make a killing either way.

Of course they do, they're not idiots. That's why they are all millionaires.
 
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No they don't and they probably don't understand much about economics or finance. I TEACH this. I have been PREACHING for 3 years that AMD is in serious trouble and that ONLY Samsung or IBM could pull them out. Folks, Zen has to curbstomp the market in order for AMD to come out of this year without being in serious financial trouble (bankruptcy) their debt to revenue ratio is absurdly high.

I'm not disagreeing that the article is clickbait and somewhat sensationalist.

I am disagreeing with what that user specifically said. - I don't feel it's FUD because they've got the math right.

Even if Zen is somewhat successful, AMD is still done.

Sold my shares short when AMD made the console bid - Writing was already on the walls.
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Why do you people pull out 'FUD' at every turn, especially when their claims are legit?

Check the math. Their math is straight on.

Pascal is launching in the exact same time window.

If Zen even breaks even, AMD is done.

Don't you people read the source anymore and double check said information BEFORE posting?

AMD's situation has been unchanged for a couple of years, that is precariously and uncertainly wavering on the edge of financial viability. The prognostication of an impending bankruptcy, specifically in 2020, can be found in dozens of releases and guidance memos over the last couple of years.
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You clearly don't know who Kerrisdale is. Kerrisdale is one of the largest investment firms in the nation, they're research oriented which means, they've analyzed this entire situation in the past few weeks, more than you, or I, will in a lifetime.

Their information is based on stats, market history, performance - Yours is simply based on a gut instinct that claims console revenue will keep the doors open when, it won't.

The reality is that Intel made the better play - Even called this when it happened...And now Intel is slamming AMD's head into the ground with an anvil.

New generation GPU's that are launching in the exact same window as Pascal.

Statistically, they don't have enough to make it through the year...That's just basic math.

Again, their predictions are based on math...Not feelings.

Everybody thinks he's a huge expert in economics.
Funny when I remember what my division's managers were saying last summer, that we had a very bad year, we are loosing money fast and they are going to close the division.
What happened next? My division recorded it's best performance even by the end of the year and it was all in just 4 months. In just 4 months we recovered everything and made a nice profit on top of that.
Their intention to close the division was based on math and a lot of info that even I didn't have. Well it looks like they were wrong.
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No they don't and they probably don't understand much about economics or finance. I TEACH this. I have been PREACHING for 3 years that AMD is in serious trouble and that ONLY Samsung or IBM could pull them out. Folks, Zen has to curbstomp the market in order for AMD to come out of this year without being in serious financial trouble (bankruptcy) their debt to revenue ratio is absurdly high.
You're one out of millions that has been PREACHING it, which is why this particular release is nothing new, special, or noteworthy.
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Kerrisdale Capital should learn their facts before running around saying things like this trying to cause a panic and manipulate the stock market. AMD has SoCs they sell in every major console from all companies, that alone will keep the doors "open" till 2020. It wont keep them profitable and able to be top dog in the marketplace sure, but it brings in quite a good bit of money. And the launch of a new generation of GPUs that seem to be shaping up nicely is going to bring in revenue, and lets not forget the desktop release of the new Excavator APU, that will bring in a little bit too. To say that AMD might not have enough to make it through even this year is absurd. The only time to say AMD could very well be heading to bankruptcy is once Zen launches, and if Zen bombs hard like Bulldozer. But until the end of the year? No one should predict that till we have actual facts of what the future will be.

Console sales are steadily declining. This means sales of SoC for consoles keeps on going down. And that is the only place right now that is keeping them above water.

Anyway, their numbers are facts to current time.
If AMD's new GPUs really push it well into sales, and zen successes well, than what they say will change.
But if AMD's GPU market doesn't goes up with the new GPUs, and zen doesn't succeed as they expect (either because customers stay local to intel, or performance wise AMD's GPUs still doesn't keep up), then it will be simple math, and AMD will not be able to pull enough revenue.

You need to understand that they are still losing every year in the overall numbers. They had operations lose of 481M$ this year (net loss of 660M$). Even SoC console sales can't save that. That is a massive number for AMD to lose. About 28% less revenue. It's insane.

You also need to understand that what that firm is talking about mainly, is the fact that AMD has a debt they need to pay sometime around 2019 for a few billion $ (if I remember it was 2.9B or something). Unless they start making profits, that debt is going to make them bankrupt for sure. No question about it.

That is why 2016 and 2017 are so crucial right now.
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AMD's situation has been unchanged for a couple of years, that is precariously and uncertainly wavering on the edge of financial viability. The prognostication of an impending bankruptcy, specifically in 2020, can be found in dozens of releases and guidance memos over the last couple of years.

The prognosis of bankruptcy could've been discerned by a gorilla in a cage with an abacus...Not by 2020, sooner - viability for 2020 went out the window when Pascal was announced.

Since Pascal's announcement, that's what //ALL// of the speculation in the market has been...That's //ALL// investors have been asking.

Even if Zen moderately succeeds, AMD is done within 2 years.

If Zen fails, AMD is done within the year because Pascal will train-wreck what little is left.

Again, considering what Wall Street is currently talking about - The article really is what it is - Doesn't make it FUD when the math is right.
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AMD's situation has been unchanged for a couple of years, that is precariously and uncertainly wavering on the edge of financial viability. The prognostication of an impending bankruptcy, specifically in 2020, can be found in dozens of releases and guidance memos over the last couple of years.

And the talks about how they are not going to return their debts by the time it is due. So far they are swimming above water because they still have cash available. They also sold last year their last facility, because they needed that cash to stay afloat. They don't have any more facilities to sell. They don't have any more source of instant income.
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