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The government shouldn't bail out any tech company unless it would seriously harm the overall US economy. AMD simply isn't in that position. The US isn't a socialist country, we shouldn't get bureaucrats hands in large companies. There is reason why GM paid off the US government as fast as it could.

If AMD needs to be sold off into pieces, so be it. *Something* will emerge and compete with Intel; or, eventually, Intel will be broken up by the government if things get too bad.

The thing is that the U.S. system doesn't seem to have prevented monopolistic/abusive conduct by companies like Microsoft, Comcast, etc. At a certain point you have to realise that the 'hands-off' policies are benefiting massive corporations in ways that small-business owners will never experience. It's the driving force for decreased quality at increased prices that I see U.S. consumers complaining about regularly, in my opinion.

     
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Originally Posted by umeng2002 View Post

The government shouldn't bail out any tech company unless it would seriously harm the overall US economy. AMD simply isn't in that position. The US isn't a socialist country, we shouldn't get bureaucrats hands in large companies. There is reason why GM paid off the US government as fast as it could.

If AMD needs to be sold off into pieces, so be it. *Something* will emerge and compete with Intel; or, eventually, Intel will be broken up by the government if things get too bad.

GM didn't actually pay off the Government in full, not even close.

EDIT:

More specifically...

GM gave the Government stocks, and the Government sold those stocks, in an attempt to get their our money back. It was $10 Billion short, the then CEO of GM?
Quote:
Originally Posted by GM CEO Akerson 
“I would not accept the premise that this was a bad deal,”

http://business.time.com/2013/12/17/gm-ceo-were-not-paying-any-more-back-to-government/

EDIT 2:

Oh, and to put things into perspective. We gave GM something like $49 Billion, when their Market Cap was only $29 Billion. Yea, that was a solid move.

A very small fraction, very small, of the total in bailouts handed out during the recession were tracked, monitored, and properly allocated. Very little made it outside of the very few at the top. The entire bailout itself was a complete failure, thus why it took so damn long to even start to "recover".

Even the word "recover" is a bit misleading in this discussion as well. Considering that the wealth gap has only widened, and the "recovery" has been at the upper income levels. Almost completely skipping the lower and middle classes.
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price/performance gap between the two isnt that big really.

What the let down is the AMD Driver team.It is not that their driver is bad, it is just as good but it is like it always take them sometime to finally get things done/fix, I am not even gonna talk about crossfire support that is even worst. Remember Taihiti GPU? It was suppose to destroy GK104. Heck, even their freesync arent a smooth launch lol

All these kind of issues give people the impression that AMD just suck.

With all that, you look at the price/performance gap isnt really that big = Nvidia is the way to go.

I'm not so sure. Where I live a 290x with 8GB of vRAM costs about €270. A somewhat comparable 970 with only half the vRAM is €370.

That's the cheapest I could find on an EU retailer anyway. I guess it depends on your location but generally, over here, nVidia cards are about €50 to €100 more expensive for similar performance.
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I'm not so sure. Where I live a 290x with 8GB of vRAM costs about €270. A somewhat comparable 970 with only half the vRAM is €370.

That's the cheapest I could find on an EU retailer anyway. I guess it depends on your location but generally, over here, nVidia cards are about €50 to €100 more expensive for similar performance.
there is a sizable gap for 200 series vs Nvidia 900 series. That was long ago when 290X was sold for $299

but that gap is gone when AMD raise the price for 300 series. the 300 series pricing is not favorable
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Even the word "recover" is a bit misleading in this discussion as well. Considering that the wealth gap has only widened, and the "recovery" has been at the upper income levels. Almost completely skipping the lower and middle classes.

 

What middle class? That bracket is shrinking by the day.

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What middle class? That bracket is shrinking by the day.

Not a politics statement, but your statement is correct.

Reason this is happening is because wealth distribution has no counter balances.
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there is a sizable gap for 200 series vs Nvidia 900 series. That was long ago when 290X was sold for $299

but that gap is gone when AMD raise the price for 300 series. the 300 series pricing is not favorable

That's right. The 390 is about the same prize as the 970. But it slightly outperforms the 970. And is more suited for 1440p and up with the extra vRAM.
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Lol.

No, and frankly the only reason the banks needed "bailed" is mostly to do with the repeal of the Glass-Steagall act, and the lack of oversight in the entire industry. In fact, in 1999 when it was repealed, many people knew exactly what was going to happen, and it did.

The banks needed bail, regardless of oversight in the industry, in order to keep the industry running.
You can choose to say "well the hell with them" and let them sink, and then the whole economy with them, or you can bail them out, fix the laws and make sure the government keeps a closer eye on them.
Lucky for everyone, the government did not chose your idea to just let them sink. Because then, choosing between CPU and GPU vendors, would be the least interesting thing in your life.
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Oh, and to put things into perspective. We gave GM something like $49 Billion, when their Market Cap was only $29 Billion. Yea, that was a solid move.

Paying out to bail GM was needed in order to keep parts, warranties, and work on the cars, alive. This keeps jobs, keeps the company buy materials and hence more people gets jobs, sell and so the government gets tax, people keep using and buying the cars and so economy keeps on going.
A giant company, which affects the economy in a very substantial way, letting it suddenly go *poof*, is extremely harming to the industry, and can take hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions, out of job and into poverty. So again, the government has to choose.

Some things could be made different in there, not saying it was done well. But the idea behind bailing a company or a bank in certain circumstances, is sometimes required.
In the overall look on the economy, some companies become so crucial, a crisis can cause a huge domino effect.
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That's right. The 390 is about the same prize as the 970. But it slightly outperforms the 970. And is more suited for 1440p and up with the extra vRAM.

Yes but how many are really using 1440p compared to 1080p? According to steam, just 1.28% are using 1440p.
And for 1080p, the 970 is doing very well, and it cost the same as the 390. Add gameworks titles, and quick drivers in order to make sure when you google reviews on certain games and card benchmarks in order to show performance of the card before your competitor, the 970 becomes a much better price/performance card.
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Yes but how many are really using 1440p compared to 1080p? According to steam, just 1.28% are using 1440p.
And for 1080p, the 970 is doing very well, and it cost the same as the 390. Add gameworks titles, and quick drivers in order to make sure when you google reviews on certain games and card benchmarks in order to show performance of the card before your competitor, the 970 becomes a much better price/performance card.
add in the power consumption, lower heat output.

that extra 4GB isnt gonna give anything miracle, even their bigger brother Fury X are still 4GB.

if u ask me, AMD killed their own customer with 300 series.

When I bought a Radeon 7790 long time ago, it was priced against GTX650 non-Ti. The price/performance is too good to be enough to write off the cons that AMD driver have(like slow release). 300 series? why would we bother it. Just buy Nvidia.
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