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add in the power consumption, lower heat output.

that extra 4GB isnt gonna give anything miracle, even their bigger brother Fury X are still 4GB.

if u ask me, AMD killed their own customer with 300 series.

When I bought a Radeon 7790 long time ago, it was priced against GTX650 non-Ti. The price/performance is too good to be enough to write off the cons that AMD driver have(like slow release). 300 series? why would we bother it. Just buy Nvidia.

They should'nt have made 390 series. Not with 8GB..

290 series were so cheap before 390 series came out and delivers the same performance clock for clock. 8GB is useless on these GPUs. But a wow-factor for many I guess.

Imagine if they sold 390x 4gb for the same as 970, then it would be much more competitive.
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The banks needed bail, regardless of oversight in the industry, in order to keep the industry running.
You can choose to say "well the hell with them" and let them sink, and then the whole economy with them, or you can bail them out, fix the laws and make sure the government keeps a closer eye on them.
Lucky for everyone, the government did not chose your idea to just let them sink. Because then, choosing between CPU and GPU vendors, would be the least interesting thing in your life.
Paying out to bail GM was needed in order to keep parts, warranties, and work on the cars, alive. This keeps jobs, keeps the company buy materials and hence more people gets jobs, sell and so the government gets tax, people keep using and buying the cars and so economy keeps on going.
A giant company, which affects the economy in a very substantial way, letting it suddenly go *poof*, is extremely harming to the industry, and can take hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions, out of job and into poverty. So again, the government has to choose.

Some things could be made different in there, not saying it was done well. But the idea behind bailing a company or a bank in certain circumstances, is sometimes required.
In the overall look on the economy, some companies become so crucial, a crisis can cause a huge domino effect.

Oh, sure. It is OK to toss Billions at a for profit company, to keep those car warranties alive! Yet we balk at the notion of providing health care for our own people? I guess car health is more important than the health of the people.

rolleyes.gif

We didn't need to bail out GM, they should have been left to crash and burn. There are plenty of other options for people out there in terms of cars.

We won't even talk about that while taking the money, GM was actively hiding a known defect that was literally killing people.
    
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add in the power consumption, lower heat output.

that extra 4GB isnt gonna give anything miracle, even their bigger brother Fury X are still 4GB.

if u ask me, AMD killed their own customer with 300 series.

When I bought a Radeon 7790 long time ago, it was priced against GTX650 non-Ti. The price/performance is too good to be enough to write off the cons that AMD driver have(like slow release). 300 series? why would we bother it. Just buy Nvidia.
Amd lasts you longer, as a 680 owner on win10 drivers have sucked and my card which used to battle hard with 7970 is around the performance of a 7950\280 in some new titles, unless pascal architecture is close to maxwell in design expect that 970 to be chewed up and spat out by the 390 come this time next year as drivers are more optimised for pascal. I'm waiting for polaris to bring the 390x price down then back to amd for me.
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Oh, sure. It is OK to toss Billions at a for profit company, to keep those car warranties alive! Yet we balk at the notion of providing health care for our own people? I guess car health is more important than the health of the people.

rolleyes.gif

We didn't need to bail out GM, they should have been left to crash and burn. There are plenty of other options for people out there in terms of cars.

We won't even talk about that while taking the money, GM was actively hiding a known defect that was literally killing people.
Let's rub salt in that wound and point out how people without health insurance doing taxes will be charged ~$600. It's just funny to see how things work rolleyes.gif
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Amd lasts you longer, as a 680 owner on win10 drivers have sucked and my card which used to battle hard with 7970 is around the performance of a 7950\280 in some new titles, unless pascal architecture is close to maxwell in design expect that 970 to be chewed up and spat out by the 390 come this time next year as drivers are more optimised for pascal. I'm waiting for polaris to bring the 390x price down then back to amd for me.

You're basically living the computer struggle life and trying to justify why the struggle is better. If you like saving your money go for it but don't tell me 75hz freesync is better than 165hz gsync because it's open source and has "potential".
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Oh, sure. It is OK to toss Billions at a for profit company, to keep those car warranties alive! Yet we balk at the notion of providing health care for our own people? I guess car health is more important than the health of the people.

rolleyes.gif

We didn't need to bail out GM, they should have been left to crash and burn. There are plenty of other options for people out there in terms of cars.

We won't even talk about that while taking the money, GM was actively hiding a known defect that was literally killing people.

Because a company is only about the people who buy the cars?
Going out of business and taking with you hundreds of thousands of peoples' jobs, supplier companies going bankrupt with unpaid debts, leaving customers without support or parts in case of malfunctions, is just fine and dandy?

I'm seriously happy they didn't listen to advices like you are trying to give.

AMD going belly up will not kill the US economy. It is an high risk company and peoples' savings are not tied up to it. GM going belly up, will.
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Amd lasts you longer, as a 680 owner on win10 drivers have sucked and my card which used to battle hard with 7970 is around the performance of a 7950\280 in some new titles, unless pascal architecture is close to maxwell in design expect that 970 to be chewed up and spat out by the 390 come this time next year as drivers are more optimised for pascal. I'm waiting for polaris to bring the 390x price down then back to amd for me.

I had a 680 from release date until the 980 TI came out. It run great. No driver issues for windows 10, performance was well where it should have been.
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Because a company is only about the people who buy the cars?
Going out of business and taking with you hundreds of thousands of peoples' jobs, supplier companies going bankrupt with unpaid debts, leaving customers without support or parts in case of malfunctions, is just fine and dandy?

I'm seriously happy they didn't listen to advices like you are trying to give.

AMD going belly up will not kill the US economy. It is an high risk company and peoples' savings are not tied up to it. GM going belly up, will.
I had a 680 from release date until the 980 TI came out. It run great. No driver issues for windows 10, performance was well where it should have been.

Because we should ignore the actions of the company that landed them there in the first place?
GM going belly up would kill the US economy? rolleyes.gif
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Because a company is only about the people who buy the cars?
Going out of business and taking with you hundreds of thousands of peoples' jobs, supplier companies going bankrupt with unpaid debts, leaving customers without support or parts in case of malfunctions, is just fine and dandy?

I'm seriously happy they didn't listen to advices like you are trying to give.

AMD going belly up will not kill the US economy. It is an high risk company and peoples' savings are not tied up to it. GM going belly up, will.

Read up on what Iceland did in the past banking crisis.

Long story, short: no a big company going belly up, won't take the entire country down with it. Even if it means sacrifying short term luxury. Iceland is better off now than ever before. And their banking sector was 7 times larger than the entire country's GDP. Yeah that's right a sector many times the size of the country went bad and it still wasn't able to take the country with 'em.

Surely the US economy is a bit more solid than Iceland's economy.
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wow, interesting thread to read through.
Lots of opinions stated as fact with no backup, but that's normal...
...and then there's p4inkill3r throwing some negativity in the mix with haha
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In some of those markets, they do not exist in, and they will not get any "hundreds of millions".
In large server CPUs they pretty much have no chance of growth. Intel pretty much dominate and will continue to dominate.
In small mini-servers, both ARM and Intel are already in there. AMD has to enter, and even then, they are using ARM, so their market is not going to explode there with hundreds of millions of income in just two years.
SoC, they have nothing. They do have plans to bring something with again, ARM. This is also a rough market to push into. We have seen how nvidia are succeeding there, even when they have very good chips.
GPU - only if they really bring something good. Desktop CPUs - again.

In potential, nvidia can dominate all the makers, AMD can dominate all the markets, Intel can dominate all the markets, etc etc. Regardless of that, AMD pulling net income of about 400M$ a year until 2019, after losing 660M$ just in 2015, seems impossible. Maybe they will be able to make it. It is not going to be as easy as you make it sound.
They have to put really great products this year, and so far except hype, there has been nothing (especially since we know what is going to happen every time AMD really try to hype things up).

??? Every one of those markets I mentioned AMD already has a product in or shipping already for the past few years. I'm not saying they have to win or literally double their market share... they have to steadily increase their market share in each one of those sectors to gain revenue... of course its not going to happen overnight and its not going to be easy, but they already have the business contacts and their foot in the door because they are already shipping those products to those sectors.

AMD is doing what every normal business does when things are not going well - adapt, cut costs, and try to increase sales and revenue. Remember... Apple was in much worst dire state a few decades ago - but they adapted, cut costs,made changes to their product lines, increase revenue...etc and look at them now! For 4 years straight they were the most valuable company in the world (Alphabet passed them up today). And Apple's hardware/products is not even the BEST or most powerful in the market.

Almost every business goes through a roller coaster life cycle.... I bet in a few years or maybe the next decade people will be talking about a Nvidia death watch if they don't expand or secure revenue from other sectors.
Edited by speedyeggtart - 2/2/16 at 12:03am
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Read up on what Iceland did in the past banking crisis.

Long story, short: no a big company going belly up, won't take the entire country down with it. Even if it means sacrifying short term luxury. Iceland is better off now than ever before. And their banking sector was 7 times larger than the entire country's GDP. Yeah that's right a sector many times the size of the country went bad and it still wasn't able to take the country with 'em.

Surely the US economy is a bit more solid than Iceland's economy.

Iceland is nothing in economic power compared to the US. GM going south wouldnt kill the US, but it would have tanked things hard and its too big of a risk.


Yes things need to be done in the US economic front, same with everyone. Risking a cascading effect isnt worth it though.
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