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what does pascal have to do with zen ? one is cpu and other is gpu. doesn't matter if pascal fails or scores. if zen is good enough on price/perf people will buy it . heck if anything it's going to be better than anything amd has currently to offer.
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This particular article is FUD.
Headline: bankrupt warning!!!
Lede that was buried: "However it looks like the firm might be safe for now. "

No.
The investment company put out a bankrupt warning.
The article commentary (not from the investment company) say that they are still safe. He does not represent the investment company warning. It is his opinion. Also what he says doesn't interfere with what they say.

The fact of the matter is, is that the company has 785M$ in cash. They are losing every year. They currently have a 2.26B$ in debt due in 2019.
This means that for the next 2 years, unless they really lose their pants and drop the ball with zen and polaris, they can stay alive using that cash. But it doesn't change the fact that unless they have 2.26B$ to return in 2019, they go bye bye.

Those are the numbers. They are a fact. Not some made up "FUD".

It is simple math. You now have 785M$. Lets say they lose just 300M$ a year instead of the 440M$ they lost this year. That means that 784M$/300M$ = roughly 2.5 years left.
And since they sold their facility last year in order to be able to mount that amount of cash, what do they have left to sell in order to cover the debt? Just answer that please.
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More semantics.

Let's change the word exists then.

Resurfaced.

Better?

I will EDIT my original post with resurfaced.

What's interesting is that, even though you know what I meant, you attacked me instead.

Writing's on the wall there, too.

How exactly did I attack you?

And resurfaced 8 months later? No, doesn't sound like stock manipulation what so ever.

Also, 8 months ago you only had rumors about Pascal, so no way was it tied to this.
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So basically they are reprinting what we have all said for some time now on OCN.

Just want to point out an AMD bankruptcy doesn't mean AMD goes away. It would likely mean a restructure, maybe new owner, but they would stick around.

True, they might still be around. But they could also be cut into pieces, one gets the CPU market, one the GPU market, and those will be eaten for the patents and knowledge and tech, and disappear completely over time.
I doubt it will stay even remotely the same if the current situation continues, and they keep losing hundreds of millions every year.
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No.
The investment company put out a bankrupt warning.
The article commentary (not from the investment company) say that they are still safe. He does not represent the investment company warning. It is his opinion. Also what he says doesn't interfere with what they say.

The fact of the matter is, is that the company has 785M$ in cash. They are losing every year. They currently have a 2.26B$ in debt due in 2019.
This means that for the next 2 years, unless they really lose their pants and drop the ball with zen and polaris, they can stay alive using that cash. But it doesn't change the fact that unless they have 2.26B$ to return in 2019, they go bye bye.

Those are the numbers. They are a fact. Not some made up "FUD".

It is simple math. You now have 785M$. Lets say they lose just 300M$ a year instead of the 440M$ they lost this year. That means that 784M$/300M$ = roughly 2.5 years left.
And since they sold their facility last year in order to be able to mount that amount of cash, what do they have left to sell in order to cover the debt? Just answer that please.

You act like this is new information.
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post #36 of 173
Any accountant will tell you that cash beats everything

785M$ in cash doesn't sound too bad even if they are 2.26B$ in debt
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Any accountant will tell you that cash beats everything

785M$ in cash doesn't sound too bad even if they are 2.26B$ in debt

Is that why my Accountant wife always looks at my wallet?

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EDIT:

Wait, I never have money in there......you liar!!!
    
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Is that why my Accountant wife always looks at my wallet?

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EDIT:

Wait, I never have money in there......you liar!!!

Most likely haha thumb.gif

But seriously, 2016 will be AMD's year, mark my words tongue.gif
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Most likely haha thumb.gif

But seriously, 2016 will be AMD's year, mark my words tongue.gif

Absolutely, this is the make or break year for AMD. Zen has to be nothing short of amazing for them to survive, especially as their debts come due.
    
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No.
The investment company put out a bankrupt warning.
The article commentary (not from the investment company) say that they are still safe. He does not represent the investment company warning. It is his opinion. Also what he says doesn't interfere with what they say.

The fact of the matter is, is that the company has 785M$ in cash. They are losing every year. They currently have a 2.26B$ in debt due in 2019.
This means that for the next 2 years, unless they really lose their pants and drop the ball with zen and polaris, they can stay alive using that cash. But it doesn't change the fact that unless they have 2.26B$ to return in 2019, they go bye bye.

Those are the numbers. They are a fact. Not some made up "FUD".

It is simple math. You now have 785M$. Lets say they lose just 300M$ a year instead of the 440M$ they lost this year. That means that 784M$/300M$ = roughly 2.5 years left.
And since they sold their facility last year in order to be able to mount that amount of cash, what do they have left to sell in order to cover the debt? Just answer that please.

What he said^^

Unless they get bought out or restructure their debt, its over in a few years.
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