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Intel and ATI. The way it should've been from the start.

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Analysts' predictions of doom for AMD have always been greatly exaggerated and premature.
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The clearest sign yet of the markets' new confidence in AMD was a credit-rating upgrade last week [1998] by Tom Kurlack of Merrill Lynch, doyen of Wall Street's semiconductor analysts. Mr Kurlack, a famous bear who, in 1990, pronounced AMD to all intents and purposes dead, was not the first to revise his views. Since August, shares in the 29-year-old Silicon Valley firm have more than doubled in value.

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It's not a surprise to anybody on these forums, but so much rests on Zen, Polaris, and the Excavator APU's. I'm optimistic for them though. AMD has plenty of talent in their engineering department, it's the inconsistent management and scattershot planning of the past five years that's got them in hot water. With the management seemingly more focused than they've been since before Bulldozer I'm rather keen to see what the engineering teams can turn out. Lost in the shuffle of the Bulldozer-to-Piledriver scramble and the noise of keeping their collective head above water is the fact that AMD has continued to experiment with new technology. They're no longer doubling down on bad architecture or shooting to be the bargain-basement brand. A make or break year for sure, but I've a feeling that sense of urgency is going to translate into some very competitive kit.

     
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Probably the same private investment manager that's saying the stock market will go to 0 and we'll have our 2nd depression and WWIII....

AMD is gonna surprise alot of people I think this year and next year. If they can get their new process right with 14/16nm we might see a pretty decent comeback. There's a ton of weight on their R&D department and engineers to meet the expectation that they can compete with Intel and Nvidia... The only AMD product I've ever had was an APG X1300 pro graphics card back in like 199* but I would like to see AMD get their game back, just to make things interesting again. thumb.gif
To be fair, the U.S stock market is grossly over-inflated and once it comes down from it's inflation there will be a massive recession. Don't need to be an investment manager to know that. Just look at the GDP in relation to the exponential growth of the U.S dollar value and the stock market and you'll notice a huge discrepancy. There's nothing to back it up.

On topic: If zen can really deliver a 40% IPC gain, that will make it a competitive product. AMD doesn't need to beat intel, they need to compete with intel. On top of that, you could argue AMD's GPU's are just as good as nvidia's and what they do with so little capital and R&D is actually pretty amazing. I think it could be a good couple of years for AMD.
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To be fair, the U.S stock market is grossly over-inflated and once it comes down from it's inflation there will be a massive recession. Don't need to be an investment manager to know that. Just look at the GDP in relation to the exponential growth of the U.S dollar value and the stock market and you'll notice a huge discrepancy. There's nothing to back it up.

On topic: If zen can really deliver a 40% IPC gain, that will make it a competitive product. AMD doesn't need to beat intel, they need to compete with intel. On top of that, you could argue AMD's GPU's are just as good as nvidia's and what they do with so little capital and R&D is actually pretty amazing. I think it could be a good couple of years for AMD.

AMD has been leaning towards semi-custom for the last few years. At one point they said the whole point of Zen was to give them the ability to produce competitive semi-custom options. If they can get OEMs on board with that, they have a roundabout way to grab market share that would have been traditionally Intel's. Luckily for AMD the market is completely different than it was back when Intel sabotaged them. Companies like Samsung and Apple may want to get away from Intel for their x86 solutions and if AMD offers something competitive, they may jump at it. Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony have avoided both Nvidia and Intel because they aren't typically known as flexible or good companies to work with. Microsoft got burned by both of them with the original Xbox. Nintendo has a new console coming out relatively soon and I guarantee the other two have new consoles on the horizon.
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AMD has been leaning towards semi-custom for the last few years. At one point they said the whole point of Zen was to give them the ability to produce competitive semi-custom options. If they can get OEMs on board with that, they have a roundabout way to grab market share that would have been traditionally Intel's. Luckily for AMD the market is completely different than it was back when Intel sabotaged them. Companies like Samsung and Apple may want to get away from Intel for their x86 solutions and if AMD offers something competitive, they may jump at it. Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony have avoided both Nvidia and Intel because they aren't typically known as flexible or good companies to work with. Microsoft got burned by both of them with the original Xbox. Nintendo has a new console coming out relatively soon and I guarantee the other two have new consoles on the horizon.

Definitely semi-custom is a huge market. Lots of potential. You can definitely enter consumer and server markets without breaking a sweat.
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samsung wouldn't partner with amd if they didn't see a bright future for amd

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/118904/20151224/amd-partners-with-samsung-globalfoundries-to-build-new-14nm-gpu-report.htm

plus before amd goes bankrupt i am sure they would get bought out by google or microsoft or hell even samsung

Something to consider....

Samsung would partner with AMD even if they weren't looking too hot, as Samsung is one of the likely suitors should AMD be sold. If they are already partnered in business, at some levels, then Samsung buying AMD becomes a little easier.

If AMD were to not make it on their own, and need to be sold, I would prefer Samsung buy them over just about anyone else.
    
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Something to consider....

Samsung would partner with AMD even if they weren't looking too hot, as Samsung is one of the likely suitors should AMD be sold. If they are already partnered in business, at some levels, then Samsung buying AMD becomes a little easier.

If AMD were to not make it on their own, and need to be sold, I would prefer Samsung buy them over just about anyone else.

I agree that in the event of an AMD sale, Samsung would be the best buyer (as an opinion). I'm not sure about the x86 licensing issues however, and so it could be that Samsung is doing the next best thing and trying to work more closely with AMD, the foundry deal being a culmination of those efforts. It's not inconceivable that Samsung and AMD might find areas of cooperation given AMD's current financial straits and Samsung likely seeing Intel as a more ruthless competitor. Just idle speculation, but there are loads of interesting potential considerations.

     
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AMD isn't Cyrix, they are ingrained in the industry, cross licensed and will be bought if or when the time is right. AMD holds too many assets to simply be snubbed off by investors or other companies, like a x86 license for instance and the preexisting technology.

Cyrix was a casualty by being involved in the wrong buy out with whom the company had no faith in Cryix's abilities - it was an anomaly and had much less impact than it would if AMD just up and face planted. Companies also don't just bite the dust if they are one of the few players within any given industry, they are often reformed and reformed again.
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I agree that in the event of an AMD sale, Samsung would be the best buyer (as an opinion). I'm not sure about the x86 licensing issues however, and so it could be that Samsung is doing the next best thing and trying to work more closely with AMD, the foundry deal being a culmination of those efforts. It's not inconceivable that Samsung and AMD might find areas of cooperation given AMD's current financial straits and Samsung likely seeing Intel as a more ruthless competitor. Just idle speculation, but there are loads of interesting potential considerations.

The x86 license issue isn't an issue.

Per the actual agreement now, and enforced by the Federal Trade Commission (I believe), Intel has to negotiate in "Good Faith" licensing to any new owners of AMD. Also the U.S. Government reserves the right to dictate what is considered "Good faith", in order to help ensure the license does happen.

So we as the consumer are actually safe.

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I teach economics for a living thank you very much. As for the rest I am sure plenty of people here are day traders. Just because I game does not mean I do not know anything about how finance and revenue reports work.

EDIT -- AMD is in serious crap and has been for some time. They basically need to report 800 million in profit for the next three years in order to pay their debts. Otherwise they will declare bankruptcy in 2019

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