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I want exactly this in oled and 144hz. Too bad that is quite a few years out. Hopefully 21:9 becomes more popular in the coming years, its such a good aspect ratio for everything.

Can't wait for the 34" 144hz ultrawides to drop though. Will buy on launch if samsung or lg makes one. Love my dell 34" ultrawide despite it running 60hz.
What's the thing with 144Hz? I always understood it to be for 3D gaming, but this is not needed with OLED as you can use passive glasses with them (see LG OLED TV). Sure having the extra bump in performance is nice if your PC can do it, but anything above 75Hz doesn't seem reasonable to me.

21:9 4K OLED would be wonderful though.
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Out of Samsung, LG and AUO, no one else has confirmed 3440x1440 144 Hz. Also it doesn't necessarily mean it's crap. Most of their new panels have been AHVA. If they've managed to push the response time of VA down this could be an amazing gaming / movie watching monitor.

"Advanced Hyper-Viewing Angle" or AHVA isn't based on VA, its based on IPS.
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http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/content/panel_technologies_content.htm

Again like Samsung's PLS technology, AU Optronics have invested in their own IPS-type technology since 2012, dubbed AHVA. This technology is designed by AU Optronics as another alternative to IPS. Confusingly the AHVA name makes it sound like it's a VA-type panel, which AU Optronics have been manufacturing for many years. It should not be confused with AMVA which is their current "true" VA technology produced. The BenQ BL2710PT was the first display featuring this new technology and gave us some insight into the performance characteristics of AHVA, confirming how closely it resembled an LG.Display IPS panel.

Response time specs reach as low as 4ms G2G on paper but in reality the matrix does not perform any better than the faster IPS or PLS panel versions. Contrast ratios can reach up to the advertised 1000:1 and viewing angles are also very comparable to IPS. There is no off-centre contrast shift like you see on normal VA panels, but a pale glow is visible on dark content from an angle like with IPS/PLS. The AG coating is very light, often semi-glossy.

technically speaking, its much more closer to overclocked catleap IPS monitors.
Edited by epic1337 - 2/28/16 at 3:54am
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"Advanced Hyper-Viewing Angle" or AHVA isn't based on VA, its based on IPS.
technically speaking, its much more closer to overclocked catleap IPS monitors.
I know it's not. My point was that AUO ≠ crap, as proven by their "recent" (after 1-1,5 years ago) AHVA panels, which have improved in both refresh rate and response times. If they can get VA there too, as it's developed by AUO as well, it could make for one heck of a gaming monitor.

I'll admit, my choice of words were pretty bad in that post.
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As much as i like the idea of higher contrast ratio LCDs for deeper blacks and a lack of bleed and IPS glow, i just dont ever see myself owning a VA panel. Even if they're 144hz or higher their pixel response times are still much too slow compared to IPS, and especially TN speeds. Unless theres some crazy breakthrough with VA tech which i doubt, these aren't even on the radar.

Some folks even complain about the slowness of the 1440p 144hz AHVA monitors compared to TN which i find a bit excessive. Yes TN is still faster, but coming from a 1ms 144hz to a 4ms 144hz is imperceptible to me. VA is where i do draw the line however. I can't imagine how miserable it must have been for those Eizo sponsored teams to have to use that FG2421 in competitions.

Yeah it depends on where your priorities lie. Picture quality/immersion or motion clarity. I want both. VA can get you both if you can maintain 120 FPS and switch on blur reduction, but at 3440 x 1440 that obviously won't be too common any time soon.

Although response times can be decent on VA, AUO is just terrible with regard to their VA panel response times. See TFTCentral's review of the Philips BDM4065UC, particularly the no overdrive results and then imagine that monitor with a perfect overdrive implementation. Also modern high end TVs have zero ghosting. Still not as fast as 144 Hz IPS though.
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No Gsync or Freesync is a no go for me, otherwise I would pre-order this the moment I had the chance, even if the uniformity or bleeding wasn't perfect. Sort of a dream monitor imo.

There's a good chance it'd have FreeSync I'd think.
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What's the thing with 144Hz? I always understood it to be for 3D gaming, but this is not needed with OLED as you can use passive glasses with them (see LG OLED TV). Sure having the extra bump in performance is nice if your PC can do it, but anything above 75Hz doesn't seem reasonable to me.

21:9 4K OLED would be wonderful though.

Why isn't over 75 Hz reasonable? We already have 3440 x 1440 100 Hz on DisplayPort 1.2. 120 Hz or more is needed for backlight strobing blur reduction, and both 120 Hz and 144 Hz are huge upgrades over 75 Hz. So much smoother.
 
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I want exactly this in oled and 144hz. Too bad that is quite a few years out. Hopefully 21:9 becomes more popular in the coming years, its such a good aspect ratio for everything.

Can't wait for the 34" 144hz ultrawides to drop though. Will buy on launch if samsung or lg makes one. Love my dell 34" ultrawide despite it running 60hz.
What's the thing with 144Hz? I always understood it to be for 3D gaming, but this is not needed with OLED as you can use passive glasses with them (see LG OLED TV). Sure having the extra bump in performance is nice if your PC can do it, but anything above 75Hz doesn't seem reasonable to me.

21:9 4K OLED would be wonderful though.


The idea that any given refresh rate is inherently "good enough" is actually a long ways off from reality.

The severity of clipping in motion is dependant on the speed of the motion you're looking at. Whatever refresh rate you have, it will always look choppy if you're looking at motion that's fast enough. It's another form of analog to digital conversion, you will never achieve perfection, just think of the lengths that high quality audio standards go to try and reproduce sound. It's the same sort of idea here.
The idea of a nearly "perfect image", something that comes close to reproducing real life imagery, is thousands of hertz and thousands of pixels per inch, not dozens.
But for the sake of practically applying current technology, I'll take a mere doubling of what we had ten years ago (4K120hz sounds pretty good, and hopefully 10 bit color too).
Edited by ILoveHighDPI - 2/28/16 at 1:04pm
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People throughout this thread are confusing frame rate and refresh rate. I presume this panel is actually able to take 144fps signals and reproduce them exactly, which is why the Display Port 1.3 talk would be necessary. But, most people aren't going to reach 144fps, which is why the FreeSync capability is necessary. And doesn't FreeSync eliminate the need for a 144Hz panel in most cases?

To me, 120Hz panel with FreeSync and 10-bit color would suffice (and, quite frankly, with FreeSync 60Hz would suffice if the GTG time is acceptable; I'd rather the monitor not interpolate frames anyway). I wish better image quality would be a focus and not simply speed.
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And doesn't FreeSync eliminate the need for a 144Hz panel in most cases?

No. Why do some people say this? FreeSync just syncs the refresh rate to the frame rate. 75 FPS is still 75 FPS, FreeSync/G-SYNC or no. 144 FPS is still 144 FPS, it is significantly more smooth. Of course it is true that currently most of you will not see frame rates anywhere near this high at this resolution, but having the extra refresh rate makes it more "future proof." Also high end next gen cards (GTX 980 Ti successor, Fury-X successor) will easily get you far more than say 75 FPS average at this resolution in the latest games.

Then there are the exceptions, such as me, who don't exclusively play the newest releases and thus have an immediate desire for high refresh rates and blur reduction.
 
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And doesn't FreeSync eliminate the need for a 144Hz panel in most cases?

No. Why do some people say this?
Maybe because if the frame rate matches the refresh rate you get a "smoother picture"? Most people aren't going to be able tell the difference between 75fps reproduced exactly and 140fps reproduced exactly. A lot of people will see what they want to see, whether the difference is there or not. These same people watch TV and movies without issues just fine (even without proper 3:2 pulldown). I'm sure there are some who may be able to discern something if that's all they are focusing on, but then you aren't focusing on the game... I guess I'm glad I don't have that problem.

And fine, 144Hz is sufficiently future-proof now. Please focus on image quality so we can get rid of distracting color banding.
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Maybe because if the frame rate matches the refresh rate you get a "smoother picture"? Most people aren't going to be able tell the difference between 75fps reproduced exactly and 140fps reproduced exactly. A lot of people will see what they want to see, whether the difference is there or not. These same people watch TV and movies without issues just fine (even without proper 3:2 pulldown). I'm sure there are some who may be able to discern something if that's all they are focusing on, but then you aren't focusing on the game... I guess I'm glad I don't have that problem.

And fine, 144Hz is sufficiently future-proof now. Please focus on image quality so we can get rid of distracting color banding.

The bolded statement is where you're wrong. Do you have any articles that support that claim? I'm guessing you've never experienced 144 FPS reproduced exactly? The difference is extremely obvious and I'm no super human, everyone I've shown my XB270HU to (when making the point of how smooth 120-144 FPS is) agrees. I'm guessing the point of diminishing returns is around 144 FPS (reproduced exactly of course) since it's just so smooth. I can't imagine any smoother.

Note that I agree with you on most other points, such as frame rate and refresh rate being synced for optimal display performance, I never game otherwise. I also do prioritize image quality (hence me looking at VA monitors next, with no more consideration to IPS) and hate the color banding I see, although really I want the best of both worlds so to speak.
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The bolded statement is where you're wrong. Do you have any articles that support that claim? I'm guessing you've never experienced 144 FPS reproduced exactly? The difference is extremely obvious and I'm no super human, everyone I've shown my XB270HU to (when making the point of how smooth 120-144 FPS is) agrees. I'm guessing the point of diminishing returns is around 144 FPS (reproduced exactly of course) since it's just so smooth. I can't imagine any smoother.

Note that I agree with you on most other points, such as frame rate and refresh rate being synced for optimal display performance, I never game otherwise. I also do prioritize image quality (hence me looking at VA monitors next, with no more consideration to IPS) and hate the color banding I see, although really I want the best of both worlds so to speak.

Can confirm - 144 once you use it is freakin' amazing.

Getting an Acer XB270HU and running CSGO at 144hz INSTANTLY improved my game. It's SO smooth compared to anything else!

Until you use a 144hz monitor you honestly have no idea how awesome it is.
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