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I've uninstalled as many things as I could. Probably 10. It's kind of annoying. More annoying that I found 4-5 that I couldn't uninstall.
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I actually kind of agree with the anti-10 crowd with some of the preinstalled stuff. It's not that it's taking away control of your system per se, more like it's injecting "ads" into the OS itself.

Really though, it's not a huge deal. You can, of course, uninstall. And is this really different than what any phone comes preloaded with? Or even some Linux distros - remember the Ubuntu fiasco with the built-in Amazon search bar?

They have to make money somehow, and the PC market is dying since everyone uses their smartphones now to pay bills/check email/facebook. No one is buying computers anymore, we are a very niche market, even more niche since we actually buy the OS... instead of buying pre-built. I understand why they do it, don't agree with it, but it is what it is, I just uninstall everything as it comes.

I am on Windows 8.1 until security updates die for this. /shrug
    
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Let's knock it off with the Snide remarks, and insults guys. Keep it on topic, and clean.

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There are always ways you can uninstall apps that you don't want..I used this guide , and got rid of a lot of bundled apps in my Win 10 transformer thumb.gif
   
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Windows has almost always shipped with a clock, paint, notepad, and a calculator. Those are all light / small apps that have been included since 2.1 if I recall correctly.

Windows has not always shipped with built in Mail, Candy Crush (a microtransaction game), and if you want Solitare or Freecell now you get ads, OneDrive, 3D builder, Cortana, Groove Music, Maps, Edge, Money, News, OneNote, Phone Companion, MS Store, Sports, Weather, xbox, App Suggestions for Office, Skype, etc... And you didn't get nagware popups. That's all extra BS that manufacturers used to install in prebuilt systems. But I guess you don't think prebuilt systems come with bloat either. rolleyes.gif

If you can't understand the difference between a utility and bloatware, you probably have little experience with Windows over the past 25 years.


edit: Oh, and it's hilarous that you say "If you're not happy, don't run the app or simply uninstall it. So that's at least 17 apps that came preinstalled that I have no desire for or would rather use other 3rd party options. What was your point again?

What was my point ?
You quote me, and answer without knowing what my point was ? hmmm... alright biggrin.gif

Because you have "no desire or would rather use 3rd party app" make those software bloatware ?
I hereby claim that paint, calculator, and notepad to be bloatware, because i have no desire or would rather use 3rd party app.

So, windows 2.1 was already shipping with bloatware.

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What was my point ?
You quote me, and answer without knowing what my point was ? hmmm... alright biggrin.gif




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Because you have "no desire or would rather use 3rd party app" make those software bloatware ?
I hereby claim that paint, calculator, and notepad to be bloatware, because i have no desire or would rather use 3rd party app.

So, windows 2.1 was already shipping with bloatware.

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Those were harmless little utilities that had no ads, used almost no resources and took up no space and was not designed to be competition to 3rd party programs made for specific usage and needs. Unlike the 17 apps I listed that W10 ships with.

I shouldn't have to uninstall them at all. They just shouldn't be there.
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For now.

I recall saying the same thing about phone bloatware. These days you sometimes need to root your phone just to get rid off bloatware that they won't let you uninstall. Meanwhile, the government passed such loose legislation, that rooting is technically illegal.

The bottom line is, things are getting worse. Competition is abysmal because of things like lobbying, access to cheap foreign slaves workers copyright and patent law, and they know it. Monolithic corporations are mirroring one another, focusing mainly on how to hurt the customer - not their competition.


When I installed the RTM I went to this lovely uninstall apps section and found a lot of "Uninstall" icons greyed out. Stuff that Microsoft doesn't want you to uninstall. Normal consumers now have to search online on how to use PowerShell to do it - those that you can, some, like in 8.1, are still considered system apps and you can't do it (the Camera app in 8.1 can't be uninstalled even with PowerShell, why?). So, now we have normal consumers doing what they would do to troubleshoot Linux, hit the web to get directions to use a command line prompt.

It's objectively getting worse.

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How do you like your speculation?

It's not speculation. See above.

Back in Windows 7 and 8.1 you could also remove IE. Now in Windows 10 you can only remove IE 11, not Edge. In Windows 7 you could also remove the Search function and use your own. The search function is now unremovable since Windows 8 and since 8.1 the engine has a built-in Bing phone home service.


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Originally Posted by xenophobe View Post

Windows has almost always shipped with a clock, paint, notepad, and a calculator. Those are all light / small apps that have been included since 2.1 if I recall correctly.

Windows has not always shipped with built in Mail, Candy Crush (a microtransaction game), and if you want Solitare or Freecell now you get ads, OneDrive, 3D builder, Cortana, Groove Music, Maps, Edge, Money, News, OneNote, Phone Companion, MS Store, Sports, Weather, xbox, App Suggestions for Office, Skype, etc... And you didn't get nagware popups. That's all extra BS that manufacturers used to install in prebuilt systems. But I guess you don't think prebuilt systems come with bloat either. rolleyes.gif

If you can't understand the difference between a utility and bloatware, you probably have little experience with Windows over the past 25 years.


edit: Oh, and it's hilarous that you say "If you're not happy, don't run the app or simply uninstall it. So that's at least 17 apps that came preinstalled that I have no desire for or would rather use other 3rd party options. What was your point again?


And as the article pointed out, it's... well, I'll leave it to each person to decide what it is, to promote signature edition PCs without bloatware on their store and then promote this at the same time.
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The funny thing about this "BloatWare" is that for PCs these days that bloayware is like a grain of sand in an ocean.

Most PCs have 500GBs to 2TBs+ space, so how can you eveb cobsiderer it bloatware ? Lol

Just uninstall it lol.
    
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The funny thing about this "BloatWare" is that for PCs these days that bloayware is like a grain of sand in an ocean.

Most PCs have 500GBs to 2TBs+ space, so how can you eveb cobsiderer it bloatware ? Lol

Just uninstall it lol.

This grain in the ocean could be 5GB and it wouldn't matter. What matters is that it shouldn't be there.

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The funny thing about this "BloatWare" is that for PCs these days that bloayware is like a grain of sand in an ocean.

Most PCs have 500GBs to 2TBs+ space, so how can you eveb cobsiderer it bloatware ? Lol

Just uninstall it lol.


Nice try at trying to narrow the notion of "bloatware".

If you really want to get down to it in this case, let's just call it "Unwanted pre-installed software" (crapware).
 
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