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post #1 of 11
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Associate online is sick of his laptop, I'm a bit behind in hardware newer than Sandy Bridge and everything AMD related.

In the next few months he'll be buying the hardware, or buying pieces over time.

His budget will be 900-1200,, but he's able to stretch it for tax/shipping. A display is not factored into this budget, that's down the road.

Feel free to critique anything.

His goals are Vsync enabled on a 1080p display and he wants some future proofing. He won't be overlocking anything, (possibly the GPU, but most likely not) He does want to video capture and may end up wanting PhysX support, but he's very open to AMD, although I think he'll want Nvidia for Shadowplay.

I'm aware of the memory issue in the 970 series, but as far as Nvidia's concerned, it seemed like the best choice since it needs to be future proof and Kepler is no longer getting support.

So I chose a 4GB card as he wants to mod Skyrim and other games, a motherboard with USB 3.1 as he plans on using external storage, a PSU presumably capable of powering a new card in a few years, and the 500GB SSD.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BtdxXL

Edit - I typo'd "Nvidia" :/
Edited by Ascii Aficionado - 1/29/16 at 11:02am
post #2 of 11
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Nvidia for Shadowplay.
there is VCE as alternative
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I'm aware of the memory issue in the 970 series, but as far as Nvidia's concerned, it seemed like the best choice since it needs to be future proof and Kepler is no longer getting support.
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/Sapphire/R9_390_Nitro/images/perfrel_1920_1080.png
now it is slower than a 390
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So I chose a 4GB card as he wants to mod Skyrim
it will need more than 4GB.for skyrim..

if he will be playing games only 8GB is enough
here there is a better choice
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jb2bqs
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Originally Posted by PontiacGTX View Post

there is VCE as alternative
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/Sapphire/R9_390_Nitro/images/perfrel_1920_1080.png
now it is slower than a 390
it will need more than 4GB.for skyrim..

if he will be playing games only 8GB is enough
here there is a better choice
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jb2bqs

Didn't know there was an AMD equivalent of Shadowplay.

I originally thought a last gen top-end AMD card was a better idea, but that drivers wouldn't optimize it anymore

He won't even be doing 1/4th the modding that most people here do and doesn't care about anti aliasing apparently, but that may change.

I'll reconsider recommending 5/6th generation Intel instead of 4th, I didn't think it would be that cheap,
Edited by Ascii Aficionado - 1/31/16 at 8:59am
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I originally though a last gen top-end AMD card was a better idea, but that drivers wouldn't optimize it anymore
they are using unified architecture so they card have been improving over the time not like GK

390 is a 290 with 8GB and higher clock speed, and slighly tweaked bios(like the stilt bios)
390x is a 290x with 8GB and higher clock speed, and a slihgly tweaked bios

so buying an used r9 290/x is also a good choice
Edited by PontiacGTX - 1/30/16 at 7:38am
post #5 of 11
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Thanks for the critiques.

I went with your build but edited slightly for reasons.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/AsciiGuy/saved/hm8D4D

Changed it to the case he originally wanted which works out better, has USB 3.0 front connections and the opening in the middle of the bay area should allow the GPU to fit with space to spare.

No CPU cooler as he won't ever be OC'ing.

Switched the SSD because he wanted a Samsung SSD.

Changed the PSU to a gold version because regardless of what I told him he has a friend that said "anything not gold is bad" and he won't listen to me :/

Doubled the memory because he's claiming he'll do crazy multitasking. (I'm clueless about DDR4, but supposedly the timings are still so bad it's the same as DDR3 but costs much more, or used to)

He also explained that it will be a very long time before he upgrades.

Added the sound card and optical drive because he wants and needs them.
post #6 of 11
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Originally Posted by Ascii Aficionado View Post

Thanks for the critiques.

I went with your build but edited slightly for reasons.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/AsciiGuy/saved/hm8D4D

Changed it to the case he originally wanted which works out better, has USB 3.0 front connections and the opening in the middle of the bay area should allow the GPU to fit with space to spare.

No CPU cooler as he won't ever be OC'ing.

Switched the SSD because he wanted a Samsung SSD.

Changed the PSU to a gold version because regardless of what I told him he has a friend that said "anything not gold is bad" and he won't listen to me :/

Doubled the memory because he's claiming he'll do crazy multitasking. (I'm clueless about DDR4, but supposedly the timings are still so bad it's the same as DDR3 but costs much more, or used to)

He also explained that it will be a very long time before he upgrades.

Added the sound card and optical drive because he wants and needs them.
2133 will make the CPU underperform . get at least 2666 or 2400 and maybe OC via BCLK might increase rma speed, since the mobo might allow it
and this PSU is cheaper and slighly better
https://pcpartpicker.com/part/rosewill-power-supply-photon750
or
https://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1750gts3x

or 850w
https://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-210gq0850

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ZTjbqs

for 50usd more he could get a 390x which is on GTX 980 performance line https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/R9_390_Nitro/23.html
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/7P9yJx
Edited by PontiacGTX - 1/31/16 at 9:57am
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2133 will make the CPU underperform . get at least 2666 or 2400 and maybe OC via BCLK might increase rma speed, since the mobo might allow it

looks like it supports up to 2133mhz so 2133mhz should be fine. Anything higher should see marginal benefits that may not be worth the extra cost.

i5-6500
Memory Types DDR4-1866/2133, DDR3L-1333/1600 @ 1.35V
from: http://ark.intel.com/products/88184/Intel-Core-i5-6500-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_60-GHz
Edited by anti-clockwize - 1/31/16 at 4:55pm
post #8 of 11
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looks like it supports up to 2133mhz so 2133mhz should be fine. Anything higher should see marginal benefits that may not be worth the extra cost.

i5-6500
Memory Types DDR4-1866/2133, DDR3L-1333/1600 @ 1.35V
from: http://ark.intel.com/products/88184/Intel-Core-i5-6500-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_60-GHz
SB supports 1066/133 but yet using 2133 mhz ram has a big improvement

the 2133mhz cl15 is quite slow for skylake rolleyes.gif
http://www.overclock.net/t/1586767/digital-foundry-memory-overclocking-and-how-it-affects-fps-in-8-different-games
Edited by PontiacGTX - 2/1/16 at 6:46am
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SB supports 1066/133 but yet using 2133 mhz ram has a big improvement

the 2133mhz cl15 is quite slow for skylake rolleyes.gif
http://www.overclock.net/t/1586767/digital-foundry-memory-overclocking-and-how-it-affects-fps-in-8-different-games

I have a few questions then.

The benchmarks appeared to have vsync off (an assumption based on the framerate), will the performance increase even be remotely this close with it enabled ?

I've actually never used ram rated higher than what was intended for my CPU, so it sounds like some speeds will OC the CPU, but the ram itself obviously isn't being overclocked ? Will the higher voltage going to the ram be an issue ?
post #10 of 11
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Originally Posted by Ascii Aficionado View Post

I have a few questions then.

The benchmarks appeared to have vsync off (an assumption based on the framerate), will the performance increase even be remotely this close with it enabled ?
maybe they were running a 144hz/120hz monitor so they had vsync enabled

But if they disabled it,they did it to show the performance gains,but if they were using vsync at 60hz they could measure minimum fps which would still show higher framerate in Min frames,aswell they can measure frametimes with higher ram frequency you would get smoother gameplay(since more frames are rendered and take less time)
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I've actually never used ram rated higher than what was intended for my CPU, so it sounds like some speeds will OC the CPU, but the ram itself obviously isn't being overclocked ? Will the higher voltage going to the ram be an issue ?
it wont overclock the cpu,it will increase ram speed,you could overclock your ram speed manually or use XMP. You overclock ram and bclk will remains the same

For SB 1.65v(some people on ocn tried 1.7v but someone has to confirm how it goes) will be fine

But you can get ram at 2133 with 1.5/1.65v for SB without need to be limited by your low speed ram and if you are on cpu bound scenarios or games that are cpu dependent you will get improvements in framerate
http://www.overclock.net/t/1487162/an-independent-study-does-the-speed-of-ram-directly-affect-fps-during-high-cpu-overhead-scenarios

Some games that would get higher framerate with ram could be
Battlefield 4,Battlefield hardline,battlefront,crysis 3,Arma 3,ryse,total war attila/rome II,and other titles
Edited by PontiacGTX - 2/1/16 at 8:01am
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