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I want to upgrade my memory from 1333 to 1600 (6 x 4 gb sticks) there are only 2 24gb kits on new egg and I don't like the looks.
I did however find lots of single ddr3 4gb sticks, but I was told I have to buy the memory in a kit of 6 x 4gb sticks.
my question is why? the memory I have now I bought 3 sticks when I built the system and bought the other 3 5 months later and it's running fine in triple channel per cpu-z.
my reason for upgrading is the memory I have now is from Avant who makes memory for lots of companies and puts their label on them such as corsair, crucial etc,
but the ones I have are not able to use the intel xmp so therefore I'm stuck with slow stock speed ram (I think it's slow) system runs fine I'm just looking for more performance.
so can I buy the 6 individual sticks or not? GSkill tech say's I can't but can't seem to explain why, but like I said my current memory was not purchased as a kit and runs normal.
thanks for any help.
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You can't change the memory multi?
     
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post #3 of 26
Sometimes different RAM does not play well with each other. And even sometimes memory that is not on the QVL list will not work at all. Its really weird with RAM sometimes.
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You can't change the memory multi?

I don't know how to make changes in the bios for anything but the automatic over clocking program from ASUS
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Sometimes different RAM does not play well with each other. And even sometimes memory that is not on the QVL list will not work at all. Its really weird with RAM sometimes.

in the past I have always bought ram in single sticks, I have never bought ram kits and have never had a problem.
I just don't understand why Gskill says I can't buy single sticks of ram but have to buy the kit.

I want to buy 6 of these.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231718

Gskill say's I have to buy these
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231359
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You do not need to buy fully matched RAM. Try at least to buy kits with the same maker and model, that'll ease a lot of the RAM compatibility issues. I had three different kits of Samsung WonderRAM (even with different mfg date) and they worked well. Hell, i even mixed that Ram with some Crucial Ballistix and they worked perfectly even when OCed (the crucial does use the same chips as the WonderRAMs though)

In regards to the RAM speed, remember X58 maxes out, as per Intel specs, at 1066 MHz. Some motherboards allow a higher multiplier (on ASUS instead of a multiplier you see raw speed, or at least that's what i remember from my Rampage III Extreme) but still, it caps out at 1333 MHz. To really take RAM to 1600 MHz you need to raise the BCLK, and thus you need to get into the whole OCing business, which is best done on the BIOS.

Also, the kit G-Skill kit has pointed to you is cheaper than buying the individual sticks, if you do the math.
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I don't know how to make changes in the bios for anything but the automatic over clocking program from ASUS

I don't have an Asus board but it can't be hard to change the memory multiplier.
     
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You do not need to buy fully matched RAM. Try at least to buy kits with the same maker and model, that'll ease a lot of the RAM compatibility issues. I had three different kits of Samsung WonderRAM (even with different mfg date) and they worked well. Hell, i even mixed that Ram with some Crucial Ballistix and they worked perfectly even when OCed (the crucial does use the same chips as the WonderRAMs though)

In regards to the RAM speed, remember X58 maxes out, as per Intel specs, at 1066 MHz. Some motherboards allow a higher multiplier (on ASUS instead of a multiplier you see raw speed, or at least that's what i remember from my Rampage III Extreme) but still, it caps out at 1333 MHz. To really take RAM to 1600 MHz you need to raise the BCLK, and thus you need to get into the whole OCing business, which is best done on the BIOS.

Also, the kit G-Skill kit has pointed to you is cheaper than buying the individual sticks, if you do the math.

yes I to have mixed ram before with no problems,
I was told the ram I want will run at 1600 if I enable XMP in the bios,
my current ram is not XMP compatible and that is why I want different ram
if I use the ASUS AITweaker in the bios to auto over clock my operating system becomes unstable
and I think it's due to the ram not wanting to accept the over clock that AITweaker is setting it too, my cpu though
will accept the over clock and runs at the 3.66ghz that AITweaker sets it too. the reason I don't want the ram
that GSkill says I must use is the heat sinks are ugly and I'm anal about things like that.
my current ram is the same manufacturer but has different dates and I bought them 3 sticks once and 3 more sticks 5 months later.
I bought them from a local computer shop in 2010 cause the guy sold them to me for $10 each as they were direct from the manufacturer.
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Well, i never had a XMP-enabled kit on both my X58 builds (been using the same Samsung RAM since 2011) but i had a Kingston Savage kit for a bit (testing for a friend) which did have XMP and i tried it on my P55 rig. It seems that XMP does rise the BCLK to like 160 MHz, but does not raise the QPI voltages. Of course, that'd end up getting to an unstable OC (without raising any volts, my P55 rig can only get as far as 142 MHz BCLK with stock volts).

What i did was to manually OC the CPU first (good ol' 200*20) then the RAM kicked itself to 1600 MHz.

IMHO, XMP does not truly work on anything Nehalem/Westmere, as it has to mess with the BCLK. Then it either does not add extra voltage, or it adds too much. It is best to OC the CPU, and only when the BCLK will not mess with you, take the RAM to it's advertised "XMP" speeds by hand. XMP does work wonders with anything Sandy and newer, as the memory works differently over there since you can barely change the BCLK on those platforms.
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post #10 of 26
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Well, i never had a XMP-enabled kit on both my X58 builds (been using the same Samsung RAM since 2011) but i had a Kingston Savage kit for a bit (testing for a friend) which did have XMP and i tried it on my P55 rig. It seems that XMP does rise the BCLK to like 160 MHz, but does not raise the QPI voltages. Of course, that'd end up getting to an unstable OC (without raising any volts, my P55 rig can only get as far as 142 MHz BCLK with stock volts).

What i did was to manually OC the CPU first (good ol' 200*20) then the RAM kicked itself to 1600 MHz.

IMHO, XMP does not truly work on anything Nehalem/Westmere, as it has to mess with the BCLK. Then it either does not add extra voltage, or it adds too much. It is best to OC the CPU, and only when the BCLK will not mess with you, take the RAM to it's advertised "XMP" speeds by hand. XMP does work wonders with anything Sandy and newer, as the memory works differently over there since you can barely change the BCLK on those platforms.

so should I just over clock my cpu and not buy the ram?
the pre-programed over clocks in my bios will run my cpu higher but not the ram.
my system performs great I just wanted more performance as I can't build a new system for at least another year.
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