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so should I just over clock my cpu and not buy the ram?
the pre-programed over clocks in my bios will run my cpu higher but not the ram.
my system performs great I just wanted more performance as I can't build a new system for at least another year.

I don't think you can skip on not buying the RAM, if you want to take it to 1600 MHz. However, do not pick sticks that can only do that via XMP. OC the CPU, and when you do that, the RAM will take itself to 1600 MHz. Just do not forget to change the divider in the BIOS, or any OC you make will stay on the CPU.
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I don't think you can skip on not buying the RAM, if you want to take it to 1600 MHz. However, do not pick sticks that can only do that via XMP. OC the CPU, and when you do that, the RAM will take itself to 1600 MHz. Just do not forget to change the divider in the BIOS, or any OC you make will stay on the CPU.

last night I used the asus preprogramed over clock program in the bios,
it put my cpu at 3.6ghz and memory showed 1396mhz instead of 1333mhz
now when I ran burn test the cpu went to 3.6ghz but putting everything back to
default in the bios intel turbo boost took my cpu to 3.6ghz anyway,
so it seems the aitweaker in the bios is really only changing the memory to 1396mhz
default it's at 1333mhz and doing nothing for the cpu. so it looks like I need to learn how to over clock myself in the bios
or do I really need to since my cpu is going to 3.6ghz with intel turbo boost.
by the way my cpu stock is 3.2ghz i7 970 6 core. I see where others with my cpu have reached 3.8ghz.
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post #13 of 26
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so should I just over clock my cpu and not buy the ram?
the pre-programed over clocks in my bios will run my cpu higher but not the ram.
my system performs great I just wanted more performance as I can't build a new system for at least another year.

Yes, overclock. That's what we're here for. The Sabertooth X58 is an awesome overclocking board. Mine runs a Xeon 5675 at 4.4Ghz/1.32V 24/7 easily.

With your cooler, should be able to get around 3.9-4.1 without much work. A cheap(ish) side grade, would be a 95W Xeon like the 5675 which are easy to push over 4.2.

If you decide to swap out ram, the Sabertooth supports 8G modules - I use 3X Mushkin Stealth 8GB 1600 sticks. A Little less stress on the imc.

But first, overclock your 970. It's like a free upgrade! Wouldn't suggest the presets. Go manual. Read the X58 OC threads here. Start mild and work your way up. Experiment with offset voltage method - runs low volts at idle and scales to meet the higher loads.
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Yes, overclock. That's what we're here for. The Sabertooth X58 is an awesome overclocking board. Mine runs a Xeon 5675 at 4.4Ghz/1.32V 24/7 easily.

With your cooler, should be able to get around 3.9-4.1 without much work. A cheap(ish) side grade, would be a 95W Xeon like the 5675 which are easy to push over 4.2.

If you decide to swap out ram, the Sabertooth supports 8G modules - I use 3X Mushkin Stealth 8GB 1600 sticks. A Little less stress on the imc.

But first, overclock your 970. It's like a free upgrade! Wouldn't suggest the presets. Go manual. Read the X58 OC threads here. Start mild and work your way up. Experiment with offset voltage method - runs low volts at idle and scales to meet the higher loads.

where can I find the X58 oc guide, I am really lost in the bios, funny though I'm not in the system I just built for my friend but his is a Z97 asus pro gamer main board
so his bios is easy for me to understand.
thanks for your help.
what I need is pictures of my bios with the settings entered so I can just start there, I don't understand my bios at all blushsmiley.gif
Edited by jlhawn - 1/30/16 at 2:34pm
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where can I find the X58 oc guide, I am really lost in the bios, funny though I'm not in the system I just built for my friend but his is a Z97 asus pro gamer main board
so his bios is easy for me to understand.
thanks for your help.
what I need is pictures of my bios with the settings entered so I can just start there, I don't understand my bios at all blushsmiley.gif

Here's a good X58 overclocking background piece: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/overclocking-the-x58-a-practical-guide.108526/

X58 Xeon thread has some Sabertooth users: http://www.overclock.net/t/1489955/official-x58-xeon-club/0_30 and here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1461359/official-xeon-x5660-x58-review-discussion-and-xeon-l5639-benchmarks-inside/0_30

970 has a locked multiplier, so have to rely on bclk. Or a combo of reduced mult and blck. The nice thing is that the Sabertooth is happy to run at over 200 bclk. The ultimate OC will be limited by your cooler, not the motherboard.

Here's a review from '10 where they pushed a 970 on a Rampage to 4.8 (on air): http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/intel_i7_970_review/3 - The Sabertooth is as good as the Rampage, imo. Note: they settled on 4.3ghz for a 24/7 OC.

The max all core mult is 23X - turbo is 24X. So a quick jump to 3.8(ish) would require a bclk of 165.

Here's a Q&D example OC:

Ai Overclock Tuner [Manual]

CPU Ratio Setting [23]
Intel SpeedStep Tech [Enabled]
Intel TurboMode Tech [Disabled]
BCLK Frequency [165]
PCIE Frequency [100]
DRAM Frequency [1322] (for now)
UCLK Frequency [Auto]
QPI Link Data Rate [Auto]
ASUS/3rd Party UI Priority [ASUS Utility]

>DRAM Timing Control

***Please Key In Number Directly!***
CPU Voltage Control [MANUAL]
CPU Voltage [1.2825] - Have to find the stable voltage for your chip, then decide later to try offset method
CPU PLL Voltage [1.88]
QPI/DRAM Core Voltage [1.30]
IOH Voltage [AUTO]
IOH PCIE Voltage [AUTO]
ICH Voltage [AUTO]
ICH PCIE Voltage [AUTO]
DRAM Bus Voltage [auto]
DRAM DATA REF Voltage on CHA [AUTO]
DRAM DATA REF Voltage on CHA [AUTO]
DRAM DATA REF Voltage on CHB [AUTO]
DRAM DATA REF Voltage on CHB [AUTO]
DRAM DATA REF Voltage on CHC [AUTO]
DRAM DATA REF Voltage on CHC [AUTO]

*************************************
Load-Line Calibration [Enabled]
CPU Differential Amplitude [AUTO]
CPU Clock Skew [AUTO]
CPU Spread Spectrum [Enabled]
IOH Clock Skew [AUTO]
PCIE Spread Spectrum [Enabled]
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Here's a good X58 overclocking background piece: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/overclocking-the-x58-a-practical-guide.108526/

X58 Xeon thread has some Sabertooth users: http://www.overclock.net/t/1489955/official-x58-xeon-club/0_30 and here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1461359/official-xeon-x5660-x58-review-discussion-and-xeon-l5639-benchmarks-inside/0_30

970 has a locked multiplier, so have to rely on bclk. Or a combo of reduced mult and blck. The nice thing is that the Sabertooth is happy to run at over 200 bclk. The ultimate OC will be limited by your cooler, not the motherboard.

Here's a review from '10 where they pushed a 970 on a Rampage to 4.8 (on air): http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/intel_i7_970_review/3 - The Sabertooth is as good as the Rampage, imo. Note: they settled on 4.3ghz for a 24/7 OC.

The max all core mult is 23X - turbo is 24X. So a quick jump to 3.8(ish) would require a bclk of 165.

Here's a Q&D example OC:

Ai Overclock Tuner [Manual]

CPU Ratio Setting [23]
Intel SpeedStep Tech [Enabled]
Intel TurboMode Tech [Disabled]
BCLK Frequency [165]
PCIE Frequency [100]
DRAM Frequency [1322] (for now)
UCLK Frequency [Auto]
QPI Link Data Rate [Auto]
ASUS/3rd Party UI Priority [ASUS Utility]

>DRAM Timing Control

***Please Key In Number Directly!***
CPU Voltage Control [MANUAL]
CPU Voltage [1.2825] - Have to find the stable voltage for your chip, then decide later to try offset method
CPU PLL Voltage [1.88]
QPI/DRAM Core Voltage [1.30]
IOH Voltage [AUTO]
IOH PCIE Voltage [AUTO]
ICH Voltage [AUTO]
ICH PCIE Voltage [AUTO]
DRAM Bus Voltage [auto]
DRAM DATA REF Voltage on CHA [AUTO]
DRAM DATA REF Voltage on CHA [AUTO]
DRAM DATA REF Voltage on CHB [AUTO]
DRAM DATA REF Voltage on CHB [AUTO]
DRAM DATA REF Voltage on CHC [AUTO]
DRAM DATA REF Voltage on CHC [AUTO]

*************************************
Load-Line Calibration [Enabled]
CPU Differential Amplitude [AUTO]
CPU Clock Skew [AUTO]
CPU Spread Spectrum [Enabled]
IOH Clock Skew [AUTO]
PCIE Spread Spectrum [Enabled]


this is great, thanks very much. +rep
I will try this later, can't now as my 5 year old grandaughter is over for the night and she keeps me busy. smile.gif
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5 year old grandaughter? She's younger than the X58 platform! She could probably help you overclock your smartphone tho. biggrin.gif
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5 year old grandaughter? She's younger than the X58 platform! She could probably help you overclock your smartphone tho. biggrin.gif





she shares my large desk with me and I bought her a laptop when she was 3, she plays minecraft of all things.
they use minecraft now in schools for teaching kids, of course I only let her play the kid friendly parts of minecraft.
no smart phone yet but she does take mine and text her dad all the time as he's a trucker so he isn't home all the time.

this is what my cpu reads stock with 100% load.
turbo boost puts over it's normal core clock of 3.2ghz to 3.3ghz

Edited by jlhawn - 1/30/16 at 5:58pm
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Oh...minecraft and overclocking. Very similar - stuff blowing up. She can takeover. biggrin.gif

So it's showing a max mult of x26. I remember my 970 being locked at 23. Been a few years....

If indeed you can set the mult to x25 then the bclk would be set to 152 for 3.8.

Simple formula:

Target speed (in Mhz) / Multiplier = BCLK, so 3800/25 = 152
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