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www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/30/seagate_fy_2016_q2/
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Peak disk has passed and Seagate has a triple problem set: disk build numbers; costs and pricing; and what to do about flash.

Revenues for Seagate’s second fiscal 2016 quarter, ended Jan 1, were $2.98bn, down 19.4 per cent on $3.7bn a year ago.

Net income was $165m, representing an 82.3 per cent fall on Q215's $933m.

On a separate note, take Backblaze's HDD failure stats with a MASSIVE grain of salt and are to be honest, unreliable.
Edited by chinesekiwi - 1/30/16 at 6:23am
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I miss Hitachi, they made great drives but Toshiba quitting the business is also bad news, better buy a few of their 2-3TB's before it's too late.

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I miss Hitachi, they made great drives but Toshiba quitting the business is also bad news, better buy a few of their 2-3TB's before it's too late.
Making assumptions about drive quality based on brand isn't very reliable.

I bought 6 Deskstars from Hitachi and 5 failed within a year. It usually doesn't take long for information to come in on specific models. The enterprise market is a good test bed.

Personally, I'll go for a full SSD array next time. The reliability is in a whole other realm. It's just a much more reliable technology.
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Making assumptions about drive quality based on brand isn't very reliable.

I bought 6 Deskstars from Hitachi and 5 failed within a year. It usually doesn't take long for information to come in on specific models. The enterprise market is a good test bed.

Personally, I'll go for a full SSD array next time. The reliability is in a whole other realm. It's just a much more reliable technology.
still, a 2TB for backup would be a fraction of the cost of a 2TB SSD array and only then you're sure about your data. you can use your old HDDs for that, I rather do it on a HDD that was reliable for me for some time as long as it doesn't display any errors.
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HDD is an outgoing technology and unless Seagate diversify they're bound for bankruptcy or buyout

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Well I see differently from some of you...
The more and more the population becomes dependent of the current technologies we have such as smartphones tablets and cloud drives the higher the demand for space.
We already see the brands moving their foccus to easy to deploy home NAS server, with integration to all the major operative systems on x86 or ARM.
One can easily convince a person to buy a NAS server, only need 3 things to convince them:
  1. They need to have lost data in the past in some external hard drive.
  2. They need to be in a civilized world with decent internet speeds (which should cancel itself over if the 3rd is true.)
  3. They need to understand the benefits of using cloud services such as dropbox, google drive etc etc etc

Get all of these together and boom.

Really think the average joe is gonna take a look at SSD's for "reliability".
Get one 500GB SSD and it pays for a 1TB HomeNAS with mirroring.
Always on, always accessible, don't need to carry it anywhere.
The hard drives are going to sink, but they will not vanish or be replaced.
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still, a 2TB for backup would be a fraction of the cost of a 2TB SSD array and only then you're sure about your data. you can use your old HDDs for that, I rather do it on a HDD that was reliable for me for some time as long as it doesn't display any errors.
I have about 10TB of data that's I'd be very much unhappy about losing. I lost a lot when my Hitachi "Deathstars" started falling off, and the transfers were agonizing. The read speeds started dropping off heavily as I did the transfers and they died just from the sustained activity. My newer Samsung and Seagate drives are much better but over time I've been losing a few files here and there; it's quite annoying.

If I were seriously looking at making another array out of HDD's, I think I'd need to buy expensive enterprise class drives or mirror all my drives to get some sense of security.

Either way, HDD's aren't as cheap as the market would have you believe, unless you want to roll the dice.

SSD's on the other hand, I'll feel quite comfortable with a 10TB R0 array, which will perform blazingly fast and be considerably more convenient to manage files on.

It'll be pricey, but it won't be long before the price is much easier to swallow for most consumers. Unless something happens to create much more demand for storage for your average person, I think we'll be seeing most people moving to fully solid arrays quite soon.
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SSD's on the other hand, I'll feel quite comfortable with a 10TB R0 array, which will perform blazingly fast and be considerably more convenient to manage files on.

And.....you're storing that 10TB of important data on a RAID0 array? Well, there is your problem!

SSDs won't help you here.
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Making assumptions about drive quality based on brand isn't very reliable.

I bought 6 Deskstars from Hitachi and 5 failed within a year. It usually doesn't take long for information to come in on specific models. The enterprise market is a good test bed.

Personally, I'll go for a full SSD array next time. The reliability is in a whole other realm. It's just a much more reliable technology.

Actually that is the MOST reliable factor. all manufacturers have a bad line.

I shall not miss them.
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And.....you're storing that 10TB of important data on a RAID0 array? Well, there is your problem!

SSDs won't help you here.
Huh? No, I said I'll feel comfortable doing so when I move to an SSD array. That's why I continued on to say that the SSD array will be more convenient and easy to manage; because separate HDD's are a pain and R0 is not an option.
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