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I have about 10TB of data that's I'd be very much unhappy about losing. I lost a lot when my Hitachi "Deathstars" started falling off, and the transfers were agonizing. The read speeds started dropping off heavily as I did the transfers and they died just from the sustained activity. My newer Samsung and Seagate drives are much better but over time I've been losing a few files here and there; it's quite annoying.

If I were seriously looking at making another array out of HDD's, I think I'd need to buy expensive enterprise class drives or mirror all my drives to get some sense of security.

Either way, HDD's aren't as cheap as the market would have you believe, unless you want to roll the dice.

SSD's on the other hand, I'll feel quite comfortable with a 10TB R0 array, which will perform blazingly fast and be considerably more convenient to manage files on.

It'll be pricey, but it won't be long before the price is much easier to swallow for most consumers. Unless something happens to create much more demand for storage for your average person, I think we'll be seeing most people moving to fully solid arrays quite soon.


good luck, nice knowing you....... SSDs are the most UNRELIABLE technology/drives ever. i had way too many die on without warning nor chance to recover.

majority of them just died due to crappy controllers giving out while the rest dies due to flash wearing out.

i'd take a trusty HDD over an SSD anyday. i've never had a HDD go out on me and for as long as i keep them spinning on a constant temperature they will never go out on my on my life time.
post #12 of 88
Guess its time for another flood eh boys? rolleyes.gif
post #13 of 88
At the end of the day the only reliable back up is multipal backups.
Had no drives die yet this year. Last year I had

2015
1X 3TB Seagate external
2X OCZ ARK 480GB (Same drive tho, Died after a month of use. Got it replaced then replacement died 4 months after use, Current replacements on 6 months and dont trust it enough to use for anything but game installs.)

2014
2X 2TB Seagate externals
1X OCZ agility 2
1X Transend SSD.
post #14 of 88
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Originally Posted by bmgjet View Post

At the end of the day the only reliable back up is multipal backups.
Had no drives die yet this year. Last year I had

2015
1X 3TB Seagate external
2X OCZ ARK 480GB (Same drive tho, Died after a month of use. Got it replaced then replacement died 4 months after use, Current replacements on 6 months and dont trust it enough to use for anything but game installs.)

2014
2X 2TB Seagate externals
1X OCZ agility 2
1X Transend SSD.

I see a pattern. tongue.gif
post #15 of 88
How many drives are you guys buying to have so many failures? Lol.

Never had a drive fail on me, touch wood. tongue.gif With so many failures why keep buying consumer level stuff?
post #16 of 88
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good luck, nice knowing you....... SSDs are the most UNRELIABLE technology/drives ever. i had way too many die on without warning nor chance to recover.

majority of them just died due to crappy controllers giving out while the rest dies due to flash wearing out.

i'd take a trusty HDD over an SSD anyday. i've never had a HDD go out on me and for as long as i keep them spinning on a constant temperature they will never go out on my on my life time.

You don't use a UPS do you? UPS provides clean power and a battery backup on brownouts. Brownouts will kill any electronic driven component (like an SSD) real quick. It also causes HDDs to fail but not nearly as suddenly.



Also to the OP. IT's hard for them to report as much earnings when they aren't fleecing people with inflated prices due to a false shortage.
 
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Seagates used to be my go to, then the infamous firmware issue and I lost all faith. Moved to WD and have had pretty good luck but have had a black and green fail. Then moved to Hitatchi and SSDs and haven't had any issues (knock on wood) aside from the 840 EVO speed hit but didn't lose data so I don't really count that.
 
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You don't use a UPS do you? UPS provides clean power and a battery backup on brownouts. Brownouts will kill any electronic driven component (like an SSD) real quick. It also causes HDDs to fail but not nearly as suddenly.

I think he means not being able to use it again.

I also doubt that a black/brownout can get past a quality PSU but the grid over here is rock solid so I really don't know. I'm still horrified when I read about the huge amount of electrical fires in the USA.
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Seagates used to be my go to, then the infamous firmware issue and I lost all faith. Moved to WD and have had pretty good luck but have had a black and green fail. Then moved to Hitatchi and SSDs and haven't had any issues (knock on wood) aside from the 840 EVO speed hit but didn't lose data so I don't really count that.

I've always liked samsung but I have one 300g i bought for 1 important file backup years ago and stuffed it in a drawer and when i needed that backup the drive was dead. !@$$@!# that's just my luck, brand new drive for one file and lose it. Guess i should have burned it. Doh
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Originally Posted by james8 View Post

HDD is an outgoing technology and unless Seagate diversify they're bound for bankruptcy or buyout

Good thing they bought LSI then, the company responsible for the SandForce SSD controller as well as a ton of enterprise RAID controllers.

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www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/30/seagate_fy_2016_q2/
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Peak disk has passed and Seagate has a triple problem set: disk build numbers; costs and pricing; and what to do about flash.

Revenues for Seagate’s second fiscal 2016 quarter, ended Jan 1, were $2.98bn, down 19.4 per cent on $3.7bn a year ago.

Net income was $165m, representing an 82.3 per cent fall on Q215's $933m.

On a separate note, take Backblaze's HDD failure stats with a MASSIVE grain of salt and are to be honest, unreliable.

Oh, they're reliable alright. But only if you actively try to destroy your drives.

And anyway, Seagate's biggest market is server drives. I think WD sells more in the consumer space but Seagate does better with 10k+ RPM server drives. Backblaze uses consumer drives (whatever is cheapest per byte) rather than server drives, so that's bound to throw things off when it comes to reliability in a server.
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