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For my budged it was either Green of Seagate. Seagate > Green. Had 2 Green die on me. Only dead Seagates I have had where 500GB models.
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You don't use a UPS do you? UPS provides clean power and a battery backup on brownouts. Brownouts will kill any electronic driven component (like an SSD) real quick. It also causes HDDs to fail but not nearly as suddenly.



Also to the OP. IT's hard for them to report as much earnings when they aren't fleecing people with inflated prices due to a false shortage.

But i do use a ups and quality psu. Point isnt clean power but the inherent flaws of ssd technology and crappy designs + manufacturing. Poor quality control on the soldering etc.

Hdd are made with tighter tolerences then ssd being pieced together like other cheap consumer electronics
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good luck, nice knowing you....... SSDs are the most UNRELIABLE technology/drives ever. i had way too many die on without warning nor chance to recover.

majority of them just died due to crappy controllers giving out while the rest dies due to flash wearing out.

i'd take a trusty HDD over an SSD anyday. i've never had a HDD go out on me and for as long as i keep them spinning on a constant temperature they will never go out on my on my life time.
We've had completely opposite experiences.

I've gone through quite a lot of hard drives in my time. In the last decade I've had about 40. WD's have melted on me, Hitachi's and Seagate's have slowly degraded in speed until moving less than 1MB/s. I've run about 3/4's of all my drivers until death, and it always felt premature.

SSD's? I've bought 4. I've been using the two C300's in my signature rig for 5 years now in raid 0, and they perform as well as they did the day I bought them. I have two Samsung SSD's, too. They take the punishment I put my laptops through without a problem.

SSD's mostly have great torture test reviews to refer to, and seem to generally live up to the same results I've already had with mine.

I think this is the first time I've heard someone call SSD's unreliable. Are you buying OCZ drives too, or something?
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I can't say I've much problem with Backblaze's numbers. The failure rates closely mirror my brand perceptions hailing from personal experience. Seagates are dead before you take them out of the box, they just don't know it yet. Western Digitals are decent. Modern (7K2000 or later) Hitachi disks tend to be reliable. While not on their chart, Fujitsu MBA series SAS disks seem to be a real oddity. They are paragons of reliability.
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But i do use a ups and quality psu. Point isnt clean power but the inherent flaws of ssd technology and crappy designs + manufacturing. Poor quality control on the soldering etc.

Hdd are made with tighter tolerences then ssd being pieced together like other cheap consumer electronics


Hmm all of the tests including torture tests show SSDs to be more reliable and have longer longevity. I wonder what anecdotal reason your setup is killing them
 
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www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/30/seagate_fy_2016_q2/
On a separate note, take Backblaze's HDD failure stats with a MASSIVE grain of salt and are to be honest, unreliable.

I dont need failure stats, just look at neweggs reivews of Seagate HDDs. I think that speaks for itself. Even if you assume some are operator error in some way. Seagates failure rate is WAY higher then WD. Hitachi/Toshiba I dont even know, never even looked at their drives. Last Hitachi I owned was a 160GB IDE Deathstar.
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I dont need failure stats, just look at neweggs reivews of Seagate HDDs. I think that speaks for itself. Even if you assume some are operator error in some way. Seagates failure rate is WAY higher then WD. Hitachi/Toshiba I dont even know, never even looked at their drives. Last Hitachi I owned was a 160GB IDE Deathstar.

You can look at WD's reviews on Newegg...same stuff really. HDD failures are FAR more to do with the chassis environment.
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You can look at WD's reviews on Newegg...same stuff really. HDD failures are FAR more to do with the chassis environment.

I thought it had to do with microvibrations that eventually cause damage to the drives?
 
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I can't really trust Seagate Drives, mainly because I've never not had to RMA one after 1-2 years of use. Pretty much every seagate drive I've owned over the last two decades have never lasted more than 4 years tops. All my currently in use Seagate Drives are under 2 years in use, simply because they have been RMAed in the last 1-2 years.


I have all my Drives on a software raid 1, so my Seagate drives can die when they want. My data will not be lost.


My Toshiba drives are king, their 5TB drives is one of the fastest HDDs a person can buy. Coming from old Hitachi plants, they are solid as it gets. Just as good if not better than a WD Blue. And I have 3 WD Blues that have a lot of life on them. My WD Blacks on the other hand have nearly a decade on them, and refuse to quit. They are as solid as a HDD can get. Spent their entire life in raid 0 at that. Sadly they are slow compared to my Toshiba 5TB Drive. Which only the New top of the line WD Black can beat, and not by much.

My old Hitachi drives are also doing fine. Only had to RMA my 2TB drive one, and that was because the HDD enclosure it was in cooked it to death. Got rid of the enclosure, drive has been going strong for over 3 years now.


Pretty much stay away from seagate if you can. Toshiba's offerings pretty much beats Seagate's, and packs a better warranty. And better performance.

WD Greens are also something to avoid, have gotten them for people in the past. They fail or just act slow. Get a Blue, Green is not worth it. They kill themselves.


^Like what others have said, Seagate Drives are dead out of the box. It is just time before it shows itself to be. While a WD or Toshiba Drive can be running for a decade+ before dying of old age.

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Hmm all of the tests including torture tests show SSDs to be more reliable and have longer longevity. I wonder what anecdotal reason your setup is killing them

SSD Controllers have been a problem. Samsung SSD's are bullet proof. Others not so much.

HDD's can easily last a decade, so can a SSD. But both can fail.

Take Seagate out of the picture, HDD's are pretty reliable too.

SSD's are great, but I wouldn't trust my data on it. There is no reason not to backup your data on atleast two different drives.
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You can look at WD's reviews on Newegg...same stuff really. HDD failures are FAR more to do with the chassis environment.

Seagate has had extremely high failure rates for the last decade.

Even the Internet agrees.


If there is one manufacture to avoid buying from in terms of HDD reliability, it is Seagate.


There is a reason why they don't pack on a decent warranty onto their HDD's. They also sell their drives at a lower price point, so people don't take the loss of their HDD 2-3 years down the road as hard.

WD Green HDD's are by far WD's worst in terms of reliability, and still they look good compared to some of those Seagate Drives. tongue.gif
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