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Originally Posted by DzillaXx View Post

Seagate has had extremely high failure rates for the last decade.

Even the Internet agrees.

And no proof and no, Backblaze's stats are FAR from reliable.
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Hmm all of the tests including torture tests show SSDs to be more reliable and have longer longevity. I wonder what anecdotal reason your setup is killing them

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/934-7/ssd.html

vs

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/934-6/disques-durs.html

Or, the worst SSD brand has better return rates than the best HDD brand.

Also, retail return rates for Seagate HDDs. Please stop bashing them so much based on FUD.

PD: EU forces a standard 2 year warranty on all these products.
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http://www.hardware.fr/articles/934-7/ssd.html

vs

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/934-6/disques-durs.html

Or, the worst SSD brand has better return rates than the best HDD brand.

Also, retail return rates for Seagate HDDs. Please stop bashing them so much based on FUD.

PD: EU forces a standard 2 year warranty on all these products.

I fart in your general direction until you provide links in english. tongue.gif
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http://www.hardware.fr/articles/934-7/ssd.html

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/934-6/disques-durs.html

Or, the worst SSD brand has better return rates than the best HDD brand.
Thanks for putting up some numbers to back my position.

I've only been building PC's for a bit more than a decade. In the time, HDD's have stood out as the most unreliable, temperamental component. I've had one stick of RAM fail, one video card failure and one PSU failure. I've had about 30 HDD failures, despite providing overkill cooling even since, literally, my first HDD failure.

My test bed for SSD's have been far more limited, mainly because I haven't replaced any of them. I went through 7 HDD's since I bought my R0 C300 SSD's 5 years ago.

I was ready to make the statement "the worst SSD will be more reliable than the best HDD" but I figured that would immediately result in someone asking for a source. Turns out, it's not even so much of an exaggeration.
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good luck, nice knowing you....... SSDs are the most UNRELIABLE technology/drives ever. i had way too many die on without warning nor chance to recover.

majority of them just died due to crappy controllers giving out while the rest dies due to flash wearing out.

i'd take a trusty HDD over an SSD anyday. i've never had a HDD go out on me and for as long as i keep them spinning on a constant temperature they will never go out on my on my life time.

Were those first gen SSDs using early SF controllers?

In any case, from my (admittedly limited) reading, it appears that with modern SSDs, your mobo will periodically fail to detect the drive if the controller is about to go, and that's your warning sign that you need to get the drive replaced ASAP.
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SSD Controllers have been a problem. Samsung SSD's are bullet proof. Others not so much.

Samsung controllers may be fine, but, um. Firmware, anybody? You know, the EVO slowdown bug? And the more recent randomly-deletes-files bug?

That plus the stupid pricing (EVOs are more expensive than a so-called budget SSD should be) make me want to avoid Samsung for the time being. 850 Pro is great, but it's still SATA, and the 950 Pro is phenomenal, but the controller throttles.
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Making assumptions about drive quality based on brand isn't very reliable.

I bought 6 Deskstars from Hitachi and 5 failed within a year. It usually doesn't take long for information to come in on specific models. The enterprise market is a good test bed.

Personally, I'll go for a full SSD array next time. The reliability is in a whole other realm. It's just a much more reliable technology.
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I agree as it's hit or miss. However the stability of 2TB+ is not in Seagate's favor. They have a higher failure rate at higher temperature. The rest, other companies, are more resistant to heat. I have two 4TB Toshiba drives.
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Samsung controllers may be fine, but, um. Firmware, anybody? You know, the EVO slowdown bug? And the more recent randomly-deletes-files bug?

That plus the stupid pricing (EVOs are more expensive than a so-called budget SSD should be) make me want to avoid Samsung for the time being. 850 Pro is great, but it's still SATA, and the 950 Pro is phenomenal, but the controller throttles.

SanDisk Extreme Pro FTW

But seriously, having tried offerings from both Samsung and SanDisk, the Extreme Pro still feels the snappiest to me on the X79 platform.
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And the more recent randomly-deletes-files bug?
That was Linux kernel though.
https://blog.algolia.com/when-solid-state-drives-are-not-that-solid/
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I miss Hitachi, they made great drives but Toshiba quitting the business is also bad news, better buy a few of their 2-3TB's before it's too late.

You can still buy hitachi drives from WD by buying HGST brand which is now the premium brand for WD.
Though hitachi for the desktop was never really outstanding in terms of reliability. They were just like every other brand. The only place they really shined was in the enterprise area, which is the reason people bought their desktop drives.

Toshiba is considering leaving the HDD business and switch to SSDs. And there is no statistics to claim whether they have better or worse reliability over other brands.
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