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Using g303 without logitech software... Would this be the same as driverless or remove the "delay"?

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Some mice advertise as driverless and some people will say the drivers cause a delay in the user interface or input lag. I wanted to know if their is any truth to this and being that the g502 and g303 have their own onboard memory are they operating basically without drivers and if not can you disable the logitech software without disabling the mice. I was thinking about a final mouse or zowie ec2a bc or their low weight and simplicity but just wanted to know if the "driverless" thing is a gimmick. Thanks
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From what Logitech reps have stated (though as a memory, this could be incorrect), LGS sits on top of the default input driver for Windows to interact with the device on newer mice, not interfering with the tracking. Whether or not this is true idk, but they have a better trust rep than any other maker that I've seen. Synapse from Razer is apparently a pig and will jack up your cursor movement.

Yes you will be able to use the G502 & G303 as "driverless". Just program the mouse the way you want via software and it should automatically save. You're free to disable or uninstall the software after that. If OoTB defaults are fine you don't need to configure anything.

Driverless is fine, not really a gimmick per se. Usually means onboard memory of some sort or a good amount of options to set without software. Lately stuff like that gets annoying because it can take away customization and software fix ability at a higher price with no benefit to the user (i.e. FM, Zowie). You essentially pay more for less.
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My G303 works just fine without drivers. If one of the default DPI steps fits you there is no need to install drivers.
     
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some people will say the drivers cause a delay in the user interface or input lag.
no

except in very specific situations. e.g. the sensor in razer abyssus2014 gets set to 6400dpi when using synapse and then the driver scales it to get whatever dpi you set in it. but the 3988 sensor has more smoothing at high dpi so in that case yes it does get more laggy
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Some mice advertise as driverless and some people will say the drivers cause a delay in the user interface or input lag. I wanted to know if their is any truth to this and being that the g502 and g303 have their own onboard memory are they operating basically without drivers and if not can you disable the logitech software without disabling the mice. I was thinking about a final mouse or zowie ec2a bc or their low weight and simplicity but just wanted to know if the "driverless" thing is a gimmick. Thanks

This thread just shows how deeply r0ach has spread cancer.

ALL mice use drivers, "driverless" mice are just mice without costumization software, they still use the generic driver in windows. There are situations where the software causes problems, but thats just because it is bad software, the synapse software made by those incompetent baffoons over at razer for example
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There's no difference if you have LGS installed or not on the g303 lol.

I installed it, changed the 4 dpis down to 2 dpis and set 400 as the default. I also made it so it doesn't do the startup LED effect and disabled both LEDs - I then set the LGS program to not start when windows starts - after I made all my changes I restarted my pc and LGS is there installed if I need it but not running as a process. It does not effect your cursor movement at all - also I leave the mousepad tuning to factory default - I tried it once but didn't like the LOD adjustment it made. Enjoy happy gaming!
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A quick way to check for an obvious cause of software interference is to check the driver details window in device manager. mouclass.sys and mouhid.sys are the essential windows mouse drivers.



When using the G303 and G502 in onboard memory mode, they do not add any additional drivers to the stack. Perhaps other mice without onboard memory may require the use of a filter driver to achieve customisation and macro features, and it could be poorly implemented or add a noticeable delay depending on system load.
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I was watching a stream and hes telling me that his final mouse registers clicks faster than any other mouse and I wasnt sure if it was in his head or if it was possible. Thank you guys so much I really appreciate the detailed responses. You guys all cleared that up for me.
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I was watching a stream and hes telling me that his final mouse registers clicks faster than any other mouse and I wasnt sure if it was in his head or if it was possible. Thank you guys so much I really appreciate the detailed responses. You guys all cleared that up for me.

I'm 99% certain it is just placebo or he is paid to advertise it.
     
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I was watching a stream and hes telling me that his final mouse registers clicks faster than any other mouse and I wasnt sure if it was in his head or if it was possible. Thank you guys so much I really appreciate the detailed responses. You guys all cleared that up for me.

If he didnt show any tests or actual data his statement is worthless
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