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We already know an overclocked 980 ti blows away the best overclocked AMD cards. Nobody bought a Fury card. It was deemed a fail. Better luck next series.
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We already know an overclocked 980 ti blows away the best overclocked AMD cards. Nobody bought a Fury card. It was deemed a fail. Better luck next series.
This guy just proved you wrong

http://www.overclock.net/u/396042/p4inkill3r
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We already know an overclocked 980 ti blows away the best overclocked AMD cards. Nobody bought a Fury card. It was deemed a fail. Better luck next series.

Don't understand because in your logic if Fury is a fail, so is the 980 because the Nitro fury at $499 beats is in performance at 1440, and 4K along with give it run for the money at 1080. Only difference is 980 came out much sooner and saturated sales successfully. So I disagree it's a fail, it's just late to the game and that's AMD's fail as a business not the GPU standing on it's own merit vs GPU in this thread.



I feel it's fair to say at similar price Nitro Fury > 980 except for power consumption.

As for the 980TI debate I feel it's off topic as this Nitro (our subject) is not in league or competition with it. I don't think anyone said that except for how nicely it comes close to stock 980Ti at 4K at times, which if you ask me just adds to it's value.

There are two types of GPU consumer here on OCN, benchers and gamers. If your reason is gaming like myself then synthetic benchmarks being thrown around mean little. Gamers don't play synthetic benchmarks. In real world use this late bloomer is indeed a worthy contender vs 980 IMO better.

Since there are members building now or replacing failing GPU"s who can't wait till April for next gen, Nitro Fury deserves strong consideration.

In all honesty you can't go wrong with either as both provide sweet performance at a sweet price point over flagship cards. I don't see how anyone is a loser with either in rig though. At the end of the day it's all happy gaming. smile.gif
     
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Don't understand because in your logic if Fury is a fail, so is the 980 because the Nitro fury at $499 beats is in performance at 1440, and 4K along with give it run for the money at 1080. Only difference is 980 came out much sooner and saturated sales successfully. So I disagree it's a fail, it's just late to the game and that's AMD's fail as a business not the GPU standing on it's own merit vs GPU in this thread.



I feel it's fair to say at similar price Nitro Fury > 980 except for power consumption.

As for the 980TI debate I feel it's off topic as this Nitro (our subject) is not in league or competition with it. I don't think anyone said that except for how nicely it comes close to stock 980Ti at 4K at times, which if you ask me just adds to it's value.

There are two types of GPU consumer here on OCN, benchers and gamers. If your reason is gaming like myself then synthetic benchmarks being thrown around mean little. Gamers don't play synthetic benchmarks. In real world use this late bloomer is indeed a worthy contender vs 980 IMO better.

Since there are members building now or replacing failing GPU"s who can't wait till April for next gen, Nitro Fury deserves strong consideration.

In all honesty you can't go wrong with either as both provide sweet performance at a sweet price point over flagship cards. I don't see how anyone is a loser with either in rig though. At the end of the day it's all happy gaming. smile.gif

Fury is a fail because it is the first time where AMD has lost the performance per mm2 crown and AMD sacrificed too much to not keep the performance per mm2 crown. AMD gave up it's compute ability, shrunk it' memory controller to make room for other components and came 4 months too late.

In some ways, fury x launch reminds me of the 2900xt launch. Way too late to make money for AMD and AMD best card only competes with Nvidia cut down card. To make matters worse, it takes a water cooler to get to this level of performance. Add a similar cooler to the gtx 980 ti, and the gtx 980 ti is 20-25% percent faster than Fury x. If the titan x was given this cooler, it becomes 26-32% faster.

The thing hiding fury/fury x flaws at the moment is AMD skipped the typical stock blower fan cooler and basically the entire fury series comes overclocked. Give them similar coolers and Nvidia is way ahead(similar to the 8800 gtx vs 2900xt) and AMD chip is just as big and uses more power.

The performance per mm2 was an important metric for AMD to keep. They had this crown for past 6 years and it is what allowed AMD to value price their cards and still make some money. AMD single GPU has typically been slower than Nvidia's cards, but they were atleast 100mm2 smaller and didn't need exotic coolers or memory to remain competitive. This time around, they are the same size, use more power and cost more to make. This fury nitro card if AMD was as competitive in the past, would be competing with cards the like of the gtx 980 ti strix or msi gaming series. But its competing more along the lines of overclocked gtx 980 series. which costs less than half as much to produce for Nvidia. Nvidia is making record profits with less volume and it's because AMD isn't giving them enough competition. AMD might be able to hide the flaws of the fury series with coolers, but their margins are taking a hit which is the most important thing for them.
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I feel it's fair to say at similar price Nitro Fury > 980 except for power consumption.

As for the 980TI debate I feel it's off topic as this Nitro (our subject) is not in league or competition with it. I don't think anyone said that except for how nicely it comes close to stock 980Ti at 4K at times, which if you ask me just adds to it's value.

There are two types of GPU consumer here on OCN, benchers and gamers. If your reason is gaming like myself then synthetic benchmarks being thrown around mean little. Gamers don't play synthetic benchmarks. In real world use this late bloomer is indeed a worthy contender vs 980 IMO better.

 

Thank you. This is all I was getting at.


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Fury is a fail because it is the first time where AMD has lost the performance per mm2 crown and AMD sacrificed too much to not keep the performance per mm2 crown. AMD gave up it's compute ability, shrunk it' memory controller to make room for other components and came 4 months too late.

In some ways, fury x launch reminds me of the 2900xt launch. Way too late to make money for AMD and AMD best card only competes with Nvidia cut down card. To make matters worse, it takes a water cooler to get to this level of performance. Add a similar cooler to the gtx 980 ti, and the gtx 980 ti is 20-25% percent faster than Fury x. If the titan x was given this cooler, it becomes 26-32% faster.

The thing hiding fury/fury x flaws at the moment is AMD skipped the typical stock blower fan cooler and basically the entire fury series comes overclocked. Give them similar coolers and Nvidia is way ahead(similar to the 8800 gtx vs 2900xt) and AMD chip is just as big and uses more power.

The performance per mm2 was an important metric for AMD to keep. They had this crown for past 6 years and it is what allowed AMD to value price their cards and still make some money. AMD single GPU has typically been slower than Nvidia's cards, but they were atleast 100mm2 smaller and didn't need exotic coolers or memory to remain competitive. This time around, they are the same size, use more power and cost more to make. This fury nitro card if AMD was as competitive in the past, would be competing with cards the like of the gtx 980 ti strix or msi gaming series. But its competing more along the lines of overclocked gtx 980 series. which costs less than half as much to produce for Nvidia. Nvidia is making record profits with less volume and it's because AMD isn't giving them enough competition. AMD might be able to hide the flaws of the fury series with coolers, but their margins are taking a hit which is the most important thing for them.

I agree the points made how AMD as a business failed, not disagreeing there. My point was at the end of day for an end consumer it's about performance, temps, pricing, power and acoustics. I still think similarly priced Nitro Fury > 980 except for power consumption. Considering HBM's extra memory bandwidth I think priced at $50 higher is even fair.

On a side note but related - next gen we'll all be paying a bit more for HBM2 over GDDR5X but it will be acceptable by then. No different here.
     
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Really? YOu claim here it's a 50 Mhz Overclock @ 1050Mhz. When in fact the overclocked core was 1135, or a total of 85mhz. The point you made is clearly in your post above, can't deny that. It's carved in stone. That's the point I was making. You were misinformed.

 

 

 

 

"With the heightened frequencies in place, the 3DMark, Grand Theft Auto V and The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt tests are re-run at 4K UHD settings." The overclocking portion is a separate benchmark from the pages of gaming benchmarks previous.

 

As in they ran pages of gaming benchmarks at stock. Then, they overclocked the card and re-ran Firestrike and two gaming benchmarks at 4k. Or, you know, pretty much exactly what I said before your bizarre interjection. The gaming benchmarks to which I was referring in my earliest post in this thread, run at stock, are on pages 2-11. The Testing Methodology given by Hexus quite literally says so, multiple times.


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"With the heightened frequencies in place,earliest post in this thread, run at stock, are on pages 2-11. The Testing Methodology given by Hexus quite literally says so, multiple times.

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Not for nothing but the "overclock" on the tested card could hardly be considered a serious factor when looking at the charts. 1050Mhz for a whopping +50Mhz OC, memory clock at stock. Yeah, better disregard the performance entirely.

Your are the one that MADE the statement about OVERCLOCKING. Read Your Statement Out Loud When you said
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"Not for nothing but the "overclock" on the tested card could hardly be considered a serious factor when looking at the charts.1050Mhz for a whopping +50Mhz OC"

What your claiming makes NO sense at all, none. You even put OVERCLOCK in quotes, come on man. So where in this article any where does it say any thing about a +50Mhz OC. Yet that is what YOU posted, and you were wrong. Sorry You can try and spin it any way you wish.

Honestly, I've made my point, and this chart is pretty clear. You made an incorrect statement. It happens, we are all human. Moving on. Arizonian made good point. Once this card OC'd just 85Mhz it beat the gtx980ti in every game it benched against. And it is $70 cheaper than 980ti in the US.

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Your are the one that MADE the statement about OVERCLOCKING. Read Your Statement Out Loud When you said


What your claiming makes NO sense at all, none. You even put OVERCLOCK in quotes, come on man. So where in this article any where does it say any thing about a +50Mhz OC. Yet that is what YOU posted, and you were wrong. Sorry You can try and spin it any way you wish.

Honestly, I've made my point, and this chart is pretty clear. You made an incorrect statement. It happens, we are all human. Moving on. Arizonian made good point. Once this card OC'd just 85Mhz it beat the gtx980ti in every game it benched against. And it is $70 cheaper than 980ti in the US.

+85 fury beats 980ti. A bit bold of a statement, no?
    
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Your are the one that MADE the statement about OVERCLOCKING. Read Your Statement Out Loud When you said


What your claiming makes NO sense at all, none. You even put OVERCLOCK in quotes, come on man. So where in this article any where does it say any thing about a +50Mhz OC. Yet that is what YOU posted, and you were wrong. Sorry You can try and spin it any way you wish.

Honestly, I've made my point, and this chart is pretty clear. You made an incorrect statement. It happens, we are all human. Moving on. Arizonian made good point. Once this card OC'd just 85Mhz it beat the gtx980ti in every game it benched against. And it is $70 cheaper than 980ti in the US.

 

Take a deep breath. Follow along. The factory overclock on the Nitro fury is +50. That's what I was referring to. That's the clock at which they initially tested the card. On Page 12 they do a more significant overclock and re-run two games and Firestrike. I was referring to that specifically when I stated that the factory overclock was basically insignificant.

 

You are attacking me over a misconception. The specifications say 1050mhz. A reference Fury runs at 1000mhz. That's what I was referring to as insignificant. If you can't see that, then I don't know what else to say. I have no idea why you're coming after me so hard, but if you put my statement into the context of a +50mhz factory overclock on the Nitro which is what they initially tested the card at on pages 3-11, perhaps you'll see that you're being a little unjust here.


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