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We need another 8800GTX/290x thrown into the mix.
Kinda weird comparison paulerxx.
8800GTX ate 2900XT and 3870 at breakfast and experienced a great supremacy, 4XX0 serie was good though but was out 1 1/2 years later.
290X won the pot for only two weeks and the launch was disastrous thanks to the "uber" nonsense.
290x has nothing to do wiith 8800GTX which guaranted success for years, Hawaii did not prevent AMD to dive hard, it was even one of the cause of the decline.
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Stop talking about 290X as a legendary please... I see it's mostly Hawaii owners that claim this.

Hawaii was not a succes for AMD. The decline in their GPU sales/marketshare started with Hawaii, worst launch ever. The performance per watt is very bad, and even idle consumption when using multi monitor setups are insane, a bug that also exist on 390 series. Same with bluray/video playback.




Overclocked Hawaii chips require tons of cooling, my old 290X Lightning sounded like a hairdryer on max, when running 1180 MHz. It's like AMD's CPU's, the watt usage post OC is very high.



This is 290X/390X at just 1100 MHz...


7970 was a good chip tho, which I also bought on day one back in january 2012. But the first 10 months were bad (driverwise, especially the first 3 months! I remember regretting the upgrade, and I came from a GTX 580 @ 1000 MHz. First with 12.11 in October 2012 the chip was doing good. It has matured well, but it's too slow for my taste these days, it's good for ~1080p.

My 7970 ended up running 1200/1600 24/7..

7970 is "legendary", still decent after 4 years. 290/390 series is not legendary IMO..
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Kinda weird comparison paulerxx.
8800GTX ate 2900XT and 3870 at breakfast and experienced a great supremacy, 4XX0 serie was good though but was out 1 1/2 years later.
290X won the pot for only two weeks and the launch was disastrous thanks to the "uber" nonsense.
290x has nothing to do wiith 8800GTX which guaranted success for years, Hawaii did not prevent AMD to dive hard, it was even one of the cause of the decline.

The 8800GTX was out of this world, and so was the more affordable 8800 GT even more so.

I'd love for there to be a second coming of the 8800 GTX, but if not the second coming of the 7970 would be good too, the 7950 and 7970 were amazing cards!

Edit:

The 290X and 290 may not have been as "legendary" as the 7970 but the revisions of those cards are battling with the GTX 970 and 980 after the originals battled with the 780 and 780 Ti, if that's not a GPU worthy of a title, I don't know what is.
Edited by TopicClocker - 2/2/16 at 1:35am
post #104 of 304
7970 is no legendary at all too.
U guyz didn't see how AMD dove last years.
We need clearly better products and to return marketshares back, AMD need real homeruns like 5870 for example.
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Originally Posted by TopicClocker View Post

The 8800GTX was out of this world, and so was the more affordable 8800 GT even more so.

I'd love for there to be a second coming of the 8800 GTX, but if not the second coming of the 7970 would be good too, the 7950 and 7970 were amazing cards!

Edit:

The 290X and 290 may not have been as "legendary" as the 7970 but the revisions of those cards are battling with the GTX 970 and 980 after the originals battled with the 780 and 780 Ti, if that's not a GPU worthy of a title, I don't know what is.
Everyones forgetting bout the 8800GTS...first G92 chip and it squashed the 8800GTX when OC'ed, though the 8800GT was pretty awesome for its time.

I'm pretty impressed with the 290X, I don't care how crappy its perf/watt ratio is, but that's just me, what I am impressed with is how much legs it has, its totally destroyed the 780Ti in the long run, and a highly OC'ed one holds its own with an OC'ed 980.

It is a pretty hot chip though, with the orientation of my case, its VRM's heat up pretty drastically, even with a Raijintek Morpheus w/ SP120's and stock 290X heatsink plate mod, using Alphacool Eisschicht 14 W/mk thermal pads...maybe if they were getting more airflow on them in a different case...but its my only gripe, if I could calm that VRM1 temps down, I could be running stable at 1200/1450 on air, the SP120 Quiet editions aren't very loud at all on max, and I have them running through the pcb's so the have a custom fan curve in Afterburner..so noise is no longer an issue, that being one of the biggest gripes with them, the crappy stock cooler would scream like a banshee to keep an OC'ed 290X stable (I wouldn't even say cool).

tldr: 290X's where fine after replacing the crappy stock cooling with something decent like Silent Wing, Mk-26 or Morpheus, depending on the spacing of the motherboard one could even use Silent Wings or Mk.26's in crossfire..290's were even better if you got one that flashed to a 290X without a hitch.
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If the game requires this much gpu horse power, it makes you think what did they use for those E3 demo years back? The one without the ''Classic Ubisoft Downgrades"
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If the game requires this much gpu horse power, it makes you think what did they use for those E3 demo years back? The one without the ''Classic Ubisoft Downgrades"

Considering it was an isolated test I'm sure they didn't use anything utterly crazy. I personally can run 1440p fine with my 980 TI and when messing with a bunch of settings especially the sharpness filter the game looks damn near identical to E3 footage.
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Considering it was an isolated test I'm sure they didn't use anything utterly crazy. I personally can run 1440p fine with my 980 TI and when messing with a bunch of settings especially the sharpness filter the game looks damn near identical to E3 footage.

I havent played the game for myself so its hard to judge, but looking at this video

It seems Ubisoft pulled another classic ''Ubisoft'' on us.

First hyping us with great visuals, and then 2 year later somehow these visuals are cut lol.

I miss the days it were the opposite, that when a game was released people where suprised it looked better then the trailers biggrin.gif
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If the game requires this much gpu horse power, it makes you think what did they use for those E3 demo years back? The one without the ''Classic Ubisoft Downgrades"

I hear it was a super computer, which would make sense seeing as even a Ti can barely go above 20 fps @ 4K.
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The 8800GTX was out of this world, and so was the more affordable 8800 GT even more so.

I'd love for there to be a second coming of the 8800 GTX, but if not the second coming of the 7970 would be good too, the 7950 and 7970 were amazing cards!

Edit:

The 290X and 290 may not have been as "legendary" as the 7970 but the revisions of those cards are battling with the GTX 970 and 980 after the originals battled with the 780 and 780 Ti, if that's not a GPU worthy of a title, I don't know what is.


Custom 780 and 780 Ti also "battles" with 970 and 980 in many titles, they are legendary too then?

The point with Maxwell was tessellation performance, smaller die (= lower power consumption / better OC potential, cheaper prices. Remember 970 forcing AMD into several pricecuts on 290 series?). It was never meant to be a huge leap in performance, but on mobile GPU's it was, because of obvious reasons, a market AMD has lost completely. Nvidia even compared 980/970 to 680/670 on release (small/medium die vs small/medium die). 780/780 Ti were big dies, like GM200/Fiji.

670 / 680 - 294 mm2
780 / 780 Ti - 561mm2
970 / 980 - 398 mm2
980 Ti / Titan X - 601mm2
7950 / 7970 - 352mm2
290/290X/390/390X - 438 mm2
Fiji - 596mm2

People keep saying Kepler got gimped, but in most games (on game release, or very soon after) they are right up there with 970/980, in some games they are falling behind, but so are AMD's GPU's in some games. What's the difference? It's kinda obvious that Nvidia focuses on their newest architechture first, but Kepler works just as fine as AMD's GPU when looking at the big picture. I know plenty of people still using 780 series and they got no performance issues, they don't feel their cards got gimped because of Maxwell.

In tessellation heavy titles Maxwell often pulls ahead. 780 Ti often beats 970 in non-tessellation heavy games. 780 Ti beats 970 overall in TPU's benchmarks at 1080p+1440p+2160p, overall across ~20 popular games.

Alot of reviews use 780 reference, a custom 780 is much faster and pretty much on par with 970 reference, sometimes better. 780 reference was only clocked at ~900 MHz, custom cards are more like 1100 MHz and overclocks to 1200-1300. Custom 780's was pretty much on par with Titan Black and 780 Ti, out of the box. Meanwhile many review sites use 290/290X/390/390X custom cards for comparison, to avoid throttling. Reference 390/390X are very rare too. Still they compare with 780/780Ti/970/980 reference cards.


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Everyones forgetting bout the 8800GTS...first G92 chip and it squashed the 8800GTX when OC'ed, though the 8800GT was pretty awesome for its time.

I'm pretty impressed with the 290X, I don't care how crappy its perf/watt ratio is, but that's just me, what I am impressed with is how much legs it has, its totally destroyed the 780Ti in the long run, and a highly OC'ed one holds its own with an OC'ed 980.

It is a pretty hot chip though, with the orientation of my case, its VRM's heat up pretty drastically, even with a Raijintek Morpheus w/ SP120's and stock 290X heatsink plate mod, using Alphacool Eisschicht 14 W/mk thermal pads...maybe if they were getting more airflow on them in a different case...but its my only gripe, if I could calm that VRM1 temps down, I could be running stable at 1200/1450 on air, the SP120 Quiet editions aren't very loud at all on max, and I have them running through the pcb's so the have a custom fan curve in Afterburner..so noise is no longer an issue, that being one of the biggest gripes with them, the crappy stock cooler would scream like a banshee to keep an OC'ed 290X stable (I wouldn't even say cool).

tldr: 290X's where fine after replacing the crappy stock cooling with something decent like Silent Wing, Mk-26 or Morpheus, depending on the spacing of the motherboard one could even use Silent Wings or Mk.26's in crossfire..290's were even better if you got one that flashed to a 290X without a hitch.

"its totally destroyed the 780Ti in the long run" - Really.. They are quite equal in terms of performance, in some games 780 Ti win, in others 290X win. Overall quite even.



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