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Going to do a job for a friend at her business and trying to find the best for their buck for a good (or multiplee) AP for loads of customers continuously. Max is 97 people + 20 ish employees will be connected (give or take).

A couple ive searched for is Ubiquiti Networks UAP-AC-LR-US 802.11ac Long Range Access Point

Type ones and they seem to be pretty awesome. From the reviews. Id like to get my ocn friends a shout and see what you all think? Price isnt a real issue at this time.

Thanks for reading!
post #2 of 21
Assuming price really isn't an issue, I would go with something like 2 x Cisco AIR-CAP1702I-A-K9 APs, if you're only looking for new products. If you're not above purchasing end-of-sale equipment, there are plenty of Cisco APs available that will get the job done, and for considerably less money.
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Yeah any option is cool with me, its just to get them going for a very long time is what they want. So ill definitely look into that. Thank you!
post #4 of 21
This involves more radio engineering and site surveying than it does equipment selection. This is a high-density situation where you're servicing a large number of clients in a small area.

What kind of clients?
What are they doing on your Wi-Fi?
How long will they be associating for?
What kind of security will you offer?

There are literally 100 different questions that go into your question.

Don't get Ubiquiti long range APs. If you're going to do this and you want it done right, hire someone local with Wi-Fi experience to come take a look with you.

I'd suggest three Ubiquiti AP AC Pros, but without seeing your site I have no idea how they'd be deployed, etc
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This involves more radio engineering and site surveying than it does equipment selection. This is a high-density situation where you're servicing a large number of clients in a small area.

What kind of clients?
What are they doing on your Wi-Fi?
How long will they be associating for?
What kind of security will you offer?

There are literally 100 different questions that go into your question.

Don't get Ubiquiti long range APs. If you're going to do this and you want it done right, hire someone local with Wi-Fi experience to come take a look with you.

I'd suggest three Ubiquiti AP AC Pros, but without seeing your site I have no idea how they'd be deployed, etc

Yea you are totally correct. I was actually looking into the Pro version of Ubiquiti as well as the cisco stuff( 2x cisco AP's + controller 1400$~ new on ebay). The front of the building is I'd say.... maybe a 1500-2000ft dining room? Its all wide open with one pillar directly in the middle.

to be honest there is no " local " my cousin would be the only one that has his own computer shop. But as far as wireless AP's and everything. I know he wouldn't know. Ive tried to ask him about it a few times before and he ends up having to try to hire somebody. expensive.

This may be one of those out of my hands type of deal lol. I don't want to spend or give them false information, I'm not an expert by any means as far as doing this kind of project so that's why I'm asking if maybe this is too big of a project for me price wise and experience wise

Its basically set for guests coming in to eat and they wanted to offer a free wifi. They've done it for a long long time. But the new owners basically had a very bad set up and thinking to get a regular residential wireless router for the set up would be enough.

which made me laugh and I told them no. So that's where I am at. As far as security I have been asking a lot and reading a lot on how I need to proceed with that as well. I truly have no idea what I need to do as far as, Do I need to set up a firewall as well separately?

I Guess to answer your questions:

1: Wireless devices are for guests only ( besides 20 employees, Which I could make their own network)

2: They'd be doing everything under the sun as far as what they'd be doing. ( Max is 97 actual seats in the whole dining room)

3: Typical people I'd say, 1-2hrs a table? A lot of people come in are regulars and are there for a long time. specially on trivia night, which that place is packed to the teeth. which is about a 4hr showtime

4: as far as security, I'm just going to say I will not offer anything right now as far as a firewall if that's what your asking, so any suggestions to get started with this would be helpful
Edited by Cloudforever - 2/2/16 at 5:44pm
post #6 of 21
Okay, that makes more sense. Just curious, what kind of backhaul do you have to this site? 100+ customers all on your Wi-Fi is going to sap your bandwidth pretty quickly.

For 2000 square feet, I'd suggest three UAP-AC-PROs. Here are some quick pointers for a very quick-n-dirty installation:
  • Put one on channel 1, one on channel 6, and one on channel 11 in the 2.4GHz band
  • Set 40MHz channels in the 5GHz band. I suggest using channel 36, 149, and 157 for your three APs
  • The Ubiquiti controller allows you to set a rate limit on clients connecting. I strongly recommend this for your guest network. If it's mainly phones, 5mbit/s should do you fine.
  • For your staff network, a simple PSK will work

Make sure your ethernet runs are good in quality and not over 300ft. Also make sure that your core network switch is ready for this. I would suggest mounting your APs on the ceiling and not less than 20 feet apart. The further the better, but not to the extreme.

What you describe CAN be done with the right equipment the right way. It may not be perfect, but it'll work well enough
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Yeah absolutely, you said exactly what I was planning on doing so im glad we're on the same page lol , cool. Yeah I mean its literally just a small open area so no interference.

I plan on running all new wiring for them too. From the corner of the farthest point to the office where the mofrm is its like may be 125ft 150? I know that wouldn't be an issue at all.

As far as the switch I may have them purchase there own cable modem too. The stuff they have currently is oretty old. At least 8 years. Thankfully I work for TWC and used to do networking / small business server stuff so I will find a way to make it work lol

Ill be searching for the correct mats I need for the controller and everything. Talk to them and definitely let you know if thats ok.

Thank you very very much for the references. We'll see what they say lol
Edited by Cloudforever - 2/3/16 at 5:48am
post #8 of 21
Yeah. For this purpose, a simple 8-port dumb Netgear or Rosewill switch will be just fine.

Also forgot to mention: Run you 5GHz power on HIGH and your 2.4GHz power on MEDIUM or LOW.

Since you work for TWC, I'll assume you've got backhaul handled. I'm a big fan of Moto SB6141 or 6183 and a pfSense box for firewalling.
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Heck yeah those SB6141 are a beast. Thats whatT I have at home. Ill look into the firewall portion as well. Ok cool. Yeah I wasnt sure if I absolutely had to go with a controller for this purpose. Its not wide enough for a monster , a good switch for 50-100 in my head would be plenty. Cool man im excited lol. Should be alot easier now. I think just really talking about it definitely cleared it up.
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Just a note, you do NOT need the Ubiquiti controller running at all times. It only needs to be started when managing and configuring your APs
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