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This prolly won't work guys..

Server hardware go bonkers all the time.. You gotta get in there and swap stuff out..

Now you gotta send divers down there.. How many neckbeard server guyzus are also Trained Divers..


This is just not practical.. They're better off doing just the turbine underwater and pumping up "electricity"
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This prolly won't work guys..

Server hardware go bonkers all the time.. You gotta get in there and swap stuff out..

Now you gotta send divers down there.. How many neckbeard server guyzus are also Trained Divers..


This is just not practical.. They're better off doing just the turbine underwater and pumping up "electricity"

If you look at the pictures in the article I really doubt they would send divers down to work on it, there are no obvious airlocks. More likely they would hoist it to the surface to do that and send it back down when they are done.

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It is a large white steel tube, covered with heat exchangers, with its ends sealed by metal plates and large bolts. Inside is a single data center computing rack that was bathed in pressurized nitrogen to efficiently remove heat from computing chips while the system was tested on the ocean floor.
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For example, the new undersea capsules are designed to be left in place without maintenance for as long as five years. That means the servers inside it have to be hardy enough to last that long without needing repairs.

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This prolly won't work guys..

Server hardware go bonkers all the time.. You gotta get in there and swap stuff out..

Now you gotta send divers down there.. How many neckbeard server guyzus are also Trained Divers..


This is just not practical.. They're better off doing just the turbine underwater and pumping up "electricity"

I am a nerd, and dive.....a lot of us do. Although it wouldn't be required in this situation.
    
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this is actually a much better idea, depositing "heat" into the ground is less harmful than raising sea water temperature a notch.
plus they can even go super-deep bore holes and extract heat from down below, geothermal power anyone?

the only issue is costs, its far more cheaper to sink a water-proof vessel, than to dig deep underground.

It's not going to raise the water temperature. Maybe it they cover the entire sea flow in server rooms... maybe? No polar bears will die because of this.

About putting it underground doesn't sound entirely good either. First, it's quite warm under the surface of the Earth. I think around 12 -16C. Don't know if that's a constant around the globe. I just know that from a mine I visited recently (135m below the surface). Depends on the depth we go too. At a certain point, the further we go down, the warmer it will get. Second, it's a constant temperature with a lot of earth. There is also a lot of thermal mass. If you don't have proper ventilation for the heat generated by the servers, it's just going to bake down there. So if we put them underground, beyond the cost of mining the facilities, you would still need proper ventilation.

If they can use that heat for well... heating up on the surface, that would be good too. Again, you would have to develop a system to transfer that heat.

Putting them on the sea bed (if it's cost effective) sounds like a great idea. Just make cradles that can hold them down there safely. There are a lot of materials that are corrosive resistant so that won't be a problem. I think the problem is logistics. Now you have to run deep sea cables to connect to these drivers. Also, there are probably a lot of regulations from Countries / Municipalities saying how far out in the sea you have to place these. I'm sure they can't just be on the coast. Another thing to consider, as is mentioned in the article is maintenance. It would probably be a pain in the butt to go down and retrieve the drivers or do inspections. However, they claim it can last five years before an inspection is required.

I think it's a really great idea and a step in the right direction but there is a lot to work out.
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I see what you did there.

Let's thaw the poles.
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It's not going to raise the water temperature. Maybe it they cover the entire sea flow in server rooms... maybe? No polar bears will die because of this.

one or two won't, but a hundred of it will, that location with a few hundred kilowatt servers will literally increase water temps a good few Celsius higher.

maybe not polar bears, but algae blooms will occur more often, red tide in particular is severely deadly.

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About putting it underground doesn't sound entirely good either. First, it's quite warm under the surface of the Earth. I think around 12 -16C. Don't know if that's a constant around the globe. I just know that from a mine I visited recently (135m below the surface). Depends on the depth we go too. At a certain point, the further we go down, the warmer it will get. Second, it's a constant temperature with a lot of earth. There is also a lot of thermal mass. If you don't have proper ventilation for the heat generated by the servers, it's just going to bake down there. So if we put them underground, beyond the cost of mining the facilities, you would still need proper ventilation.

thermal mass of earth is massive, constant temp is roughly 15C on average across the globe.

15C compared to a 80C CPU is still a good deal effective, you can cool the CPU down to a decent 60C, only rising the ambient temp of the surrounding rocks to 30~40C.
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one or two won't, but a hundred of it will, that location with a few hundred kilowatt servers will literally increase water temps a good few Celsius higher.

maybe not polar bears, but algae blooms will occur more often, red tide in particular is severely deadly.

I wonder how much it would take. Considering the volume of water and that you're saying it will generate for 100 of them. Probably a easy calculation but i'm sure if they put them out further and spread them out, it will be a negligible amount. I doubt California would allow for 100 of these in one spot.
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I wonder how much it would take. Considering the volume of water and that you're saying it will generate for 100 of them. Probably a easy calculation but i'm sure if they put them out further and spread them out, it will be a negligible amount. I doubt California would allow for 100 of these in one spot.

you actually suggest they ruin the entire coastline just to cool a few dozen or a few hundred servers?
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Curious if putting datacenters under the sea would help reduce errors caused by cosmic radiation too.
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Curious if putting datacenters under the sea would help reduce errors caused by cosmic radiation too.
i don't think so, water doesn't stop those nasty things.
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