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looks like a good read.
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Originally Posted by epic1337 View Post

they won't actually need to scuba-dive, they'll have to pull up the entire capsule up.
they can't open the capsule underwater and risk seawater getting in.


i'd like to bring up a point, why haven't they thought up of using the municipal water supply as cooling, and directly contribute to district heating?
all that wasted heat can be used to heat up my shower water, i would even gladly pay up some incentives so long as it's cheaper than my gas/electric costs.
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“When I first heard about this I thought, ‘Water ... electricity, why would you do that?’ ” said Ben Cutler, a Microsoft computer designer who is one of the engineers who worked on the Project Natick system. “But as you think more about it, it actually makes a lot of sense.”


thinking.gif

How much research did you actually do, Ben? biggrin.gif
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I'd like to bring up a few points.

Enterprise equipment and deployment is very different to consumer grade gear that I think most of you would be familiar with.

I imagine they would have an array of redundancy drives calculated on an estimated failure rate so they can replace failed drives. Keep in mind, this is something happening right now where data centres run completely Lights Out.
Also, unlike consumer gear you schedule downtimes, not wait for them. According to Microsoft, they will replace the gear every 5 years.
Where I am, we replace every 3 years. Just rotated a proxy server about a week ago that was still running strong.

As for the container and people saying it will rust and so on. They recycle them every 20 years according to Microsoft.
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I'd like to bring up a few points.

Enterprise equipment and deployment is very different to consumer grade gear that I think most of you would be familiar with.

I imagine they would have an array of redundancy drives calculated on an estimated failure rate so they can replace failed drives. Keep in mind, this is something happening right now where data centres run completely Lights Out.
Also, unlike consumer gear you schedule downtimes, not wait for them. According to Microsoft, they will replace the gear every 5 years.
Where I am, we replace every 3 years. Just rotated a proxy server about a week ago that was still running strong.

As for the container and people saying it will rust and so on. They recycle them every 20 years according to Microsoft.


In case that was aimed at my chuckle and it went right over your head, that was a joke.
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How did you determine the volume of water? 20 cubes is not a lot of water.
The submerged unit will probably displace more than 20 cubes of water

i estimated the volume of water "surrounding" the vessel would be roughly 20 cubes.
in which it takes 1hour to heat it up to 5C above ambient where a noticeable convection starts to kick in.
of course i wasn't factoring in tidal forces.

20cubes per hour is a lot of flowing water though.
Edited by epic1337 - 2/3/16 at 3:04am
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In case that was aimed at my chuckle and it went right over your head, that was a joke.

No no. It wasn't.

It was just general thoughts in regards to what some people (not only in this thread) seem to think this is like dropping down a home computer into the ocean. tongue.gif
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weird idea.. but could turn out good
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was my idea you thief
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They have been doing this with data centers for awhile. Picking a spot they can use the outside air to cool the servers to cut operating costs. Only makes sense to move into the ocean, or a lake as the next step.

I personally think that the challenges of building underwater will be too great for us even now. I think they would be better off building at high altitude where high winds and cold weather is the normal. They could use wind power, to power, and the naturally cold air to cool the servers.
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