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"Perfect" emulator? Given how complicated Cell is, I'd expect something like 1THz minimum needed to run it perfectly, less if you can get it working in parallel. Thing is, this isn't a perfect emulator. It cheats. It has to cheat in order to run like this. Emulators are going to have special code related to the most popular titles on that platform. Read up. Now, take that 3.58MHz SNES CPU and multiply it by a thousand for the PS3's 3.2GHz Cell. Not only that, the PS3 can run in out-of-order execution and because Cell is Cell, add in SMT (think Hyperthreading) and seven additional coprocessors.

I'm not sure we'll ever see perfect PS3 or 360 emulation. Best we can hope for is to deconstruct the games and retool them for x86, or build emulators that cheat. Perfect emulation is simply not feasible. You can get a game working by tweaking things until it works, but you can't get all games working without a few orders of magnitude more computing power.
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"Perfect" emulator? Given how complicated Cell is, I'd expect something like 1THz minimum needed to run it perfectly, less if you can get it working in parallel. Thing is, this isn't a perfect emulator. It cheats. It has to cheat in order to run like this. Emulators are going to have special code related to the most popular titles on that platform. Read up. Now, take that 3.58MHz SNES CPU and multiply it by a thousand for the PS3's 3.2GHz Cell. Not only that, the PS3 can run in out-of-order execution and because Cell is Cell, add in SMT (think Hyperthreading) and seven additional coprocessors.

I'm not sure we'll ever see perfect PS3 or 360 emulation. Best we can hope for is to deconstruct the games and retool them for x86, or build emulators that cheat. Perfect emulation is simply not feasible. You can get a game working by tweaking things until it works, but you can't get all games working without a few orders of magnitude more computing power.

 

That's all fine and dandy.  Isn't the goal just make it work?  Ideally we get a "perfect emulation" in reality I don't really care how it's done cheating or not as long as the end result I can play that game. I wouldn't mind some Marvel VS Capcom 3 lol  :D

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That's all fine and dandy.  Isn't the goal just make it work?  Ideally we get a "perfect emulation" in reality I don't really care how it's done cheating or not as long as the end result I can play that game. I wouldn't mind some Marvel VS Capcom 3 lol  biggrin.gif

The problem comes in when you want to play more obscure titles. Great, this PS3 emulator works with the ~100 most popular titles, and effectively perfectly to boot! But my favorite game was this obscure arcade game. Can I even get past the title screen on it?

That's the problem. Don't get me wrong, it's certainly a step in the right direction, but it's nowhere near perfect. Not now at least.
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The problem comes in when you want to play more obscure titles. Great, this PS3 emulator works with the ~100 most popular titles, and effectively perfectly to boot! But my favorite game was this obscure arcade game. Can I even get past the title screen on it?

That's the problem. Don't get me wrong, it's certainly a step in the right direction, but it's nowhere near perfect. Not now at least.

 

Yea i can see this happening also.  

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Demon's Soul's is all i care about wheee.gif

Then buy it on steam.
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Emulators don't work that way do they?

I am pretty sure I could never play games at 60fps that originally run only at 30fps. I don't play emulators much to be honest.

They don't work that way. A 30fps game in an emulator running at 60fps would run at twice the speed.
    
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So will this emulate any PS3 game or only certain ones so far?
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So will this emulate any PS3 game or only certain ones so far?

Let's put it this way :

You shouldn't hold your breath hoping to play any of your desired games in the near future biggrin.gif
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Let's put it this way :

You shouldn't hold your breath hoping to play any of your desired games in the near future biggrin.gif

True - Wouldn't be any harm in trying anyway though.
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They don't work that way. A 30fps game in an emulator running at 60fps would run at twice the speed.

It depends on how the engine works. If framerate determines calculations, that is correct. If not and the game just runs at a low framerate (either because of a lack of power, too much graphical fidelity, or too high a resolution), it should be fine.

But there are quite a few that are locked to framerate. Racing games are notorious for this, with acceleration directly related to framerate.
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