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18cm hands, hybrid grip because my hand conforms to the mouse shape, Main (hopefully Intermediate soon) CS:GO player @ Global Elite/~ 12 RWS, used over 30 mice in the hunt for the one (obsessed), analytical thinker, love researching about mice and sensors and aiming and movement mechanics.

Okay so for the past few months I've been using the Logitech G303 at my new sens of 400dpi and 3 ingame, prior to that I used a ZA12 and before that, a G400s (with others here and there for brief periods) for a few years, both at 400dpi and 2 ingame. I'll straight up say that for a long time, my aim used to be better with the ZA12 and G400s at the lower sensitivity. Obviously because the sens was lower, I used it for much longer (years) and the mice are fuller in the hand, allowing for more control. Anyways I switched to the G303 a few months ago and started working on getting used to 400dpi and 3 and I can now say that my aim mechanics are right back up there (I'm known for being sharp, and people are surprised when I suddenly do a 400 degree spin as they expect me to be using 1.7 sens or something).

For a long while I blamed my G303's weird shape and sensor rattle (which is a load of crap) for my missed shots - I did this with all mice and games, found reasons other than my own error - but have now come to realize that it's mostly user error; things like movement, committing to sprays at the wrong time, not tapping at the right time when counter strafing, seeing an enemy and overreacting by initializing shooting/spraying before your flick has even reached the target and the main one which I observe everywhere is holding a line too far from the wall and the enemy rushes out and gets you with their peek advantage; I believe this is why you see pros hold angles further out from the wall or they 'jiggle peek'. Even a professional can use an 'average' mouse with a bad sensor and still play on a pro level and aim and move very well. That is because they aren't worried about perfect sensors and smoothing and button delay; they are simply used to their gear and they rely on focus, positioning, proper movement mechanics and controlled crosshair movements to achieve those nuts 3k headshots that seem oh so difficult to do.

Long story short, I've learnt - through all the 'perfect sensitivity algorithms', endless prac in aim_botz, countless hardware changes etc - that you simply cannot beat positioning and proper aim and movement mechanics (strafing, crouching, spraying/tapping/bursting, holding crosshair a certain distance from walls, peeking adv.).

Now a little about the latest mice I'm using (and yes, I perform equally well with all of them for the most part; some days bad, some days godlike)...

G303

I love this thing! The shape is ehh, but the weight, tracking and overall feel ingame is amazing. It took a little while to accept that it wasn't the shape and sensor rattling that was causing my bad games but now that I've stopped all those OCD thoughts about my performance I have accepted that Logitech have created something good here. The clicks are amazing too. It's a shame that they did go with that shape, but hey, it works for claw and fingertip grip if you just learn to control your mouse movements a bit better and not death-grip it when you're nervous in a clutch or other nervous situation. I've tried multiple other mice in the last 6 months but always go back to the G303 (and probably will again soon even know I've got the KPM and EC2-A now lol). Oh and the surface is good for all kinds of hands imo and the friction is super low -- it slides like a b**ch! That's why people get that 'whipping back' effect on fast flick and stops. It's not the sensor rattle you fools, it's your hand muscles resetting because the G303 is like a hockey puck on ice and you can't handle it.

KPM

That scroll wheel, wow! I fell in love with this thing last night when I first got my hands on it. I played a scrim against an Intermediate team and a few MM games and was aiming really well. I feel like this is a combo of the shape, sensor and the fact that it has medium-high friction on my mousepad, the Kingston HyperX Fury Pro. I could flick and stop dead, which I can't do on my other mice as they are slippery as. I was made aware of the DPI bug today which I'm not sure if I was affected by -- I should have been seeing as I had DCU off. I will test this more later. The shape and size is amazing for my 18cm hands and I can almost palm is fully. Wasn't expecting that as I heard it was a fingertip only mouse. The surface is good for my hands as they get slightly sweaty at times.

EC2-A

Amazing shape and feels amazing in my hand. The only things stopping me from bothering with this mouse too much are the scroll wheel and the fact that it felt a little off in aim_botz when I was flicking around. I think I've gotten too familiar with the sensor position of mice like the G303 and with the EC2-A I noticed that when swiping horizontally, my crosshair would drift in a slightly downwards motion. Not very good for tracking heads with a pistol in CS:GO. It takes me only a few games to get used to a mouse though so I might play with this one tonight. The friction was medium on my pad btw. Oh and I love the simplicity of just plugging it in and hitting a button for 400dpi and off you go; the LOD and all that are perfect off the bat.

Mousepads

My theory is that you need to find a pad with exactly a medium amount of friction for your mousefeet. Get 2 pads to try when you order a mouse. Or get some alternate feet to try. You need the friction to be exactly the right amount for CS:GO so that you can flick and stop on the head without your crosshair wobbling back and forth or the right amount so that you can track a head smoothly with your crosshair jittering or having positive/negative acceleration caused by your mousefeet having too much friction on the pad. I feel like this is where half of the 'speed related accuracy variance' (SRAV) phenomenon comes from.

Shape and sensor placement hugely impact aim too, but I won't get into that as there are multiple huge threads covering those topics.

Another thought about focus and hitting your shots...

Another thing that is hugely overlooked (mostly by those who focus on trivial things like sensors and shapes too much) in one's ability to aim is just how much focus and attention one is putting into hitting those headshots. Ever come across those players who never miss? They always have perfect aim and are just godlike players. Check their positioning and movement, I bet it's good. Observe how focused they are too; I bet their minds don't stray away from headshots and positioning. They have spend hundreds and thousands of hours practicing perfect aim and movement mechanics. It becomes second nature after a while. I personally play way too much MM and Deathmatch and as a result have picked up many bad habits -- thus when I am trying to play seriously and I let my mind stray for one second I resort to those bad habits and push and die or impulsively peek a stupid angle and get clipped for it. When I start a round thinking 'okay, time to focus and make every second count' I usually finish with a kill or a round changing play. Next time you're having a bad game, take a second to reflect on how many silly plays you have made, how many times you have mindlessly flicked to an enemy without intentionally aiming for the head and how many times you have sat into a spray on the first bullet. I bet you do it more often than not. I think the pros are pro simply because they have perfected the balance between mindless play and focus on the important things.

Just my 2c. Good luck on your search for the one guys.
Edited by rpalmer92 - 2/1/16 at 4:44pm
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"It's not the sensor rattle you fools, it's your hand muscles resetting because the G303 is like a hockey puck on ice and you can't handle it."

haha no
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"It's not the sensor rattle you fools, it's your hand muscles resetting because the G303 is like a hockey puck on ice and you can't handle it."

haha no

Depends on the mouse you get, put a piece of tape on the bottom that doesn't leave residue and then give it a shake, if the cursor moves then it actually is a sensor problem. Not all of the G303s with sensor rattle have suffering performance, mine was great.
    
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Depends on the mouse you get, put a piece of tape on the bottom that doesn't leave residue and then give it a shake, if the cursor moves then it actually is a sensor problem. Not all of the G303s with sensor rattle have suffering performance, mine was great.
If you don't have sensor performance issues than you probably didn't have a a rattling sensor to begin with.
I quoted him by the way if you didnt see the quotation marks.
You don't even need to use tape to figure out whether you have sensor rattling. Just check it with paint by drawing lines
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If you don't have sensor performance issues than you probably didn't have a a rattling sensor to begin with.
I quoted him by the way if you didnt see the quotation marks.
You don't even need to use tape to figure out whether you have sensor rattling. Just check it with paint by drawing lines

My sensor was definitely rattling, I held all the buttons down while giving it a shake and it rattled, didn't have any notable problem with the cursor moving around when I stopped moving it after a quick movement. I did see the quotation marks, I was just pointing out that it doesn't affect every G303.
    
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My sensor was definitely rattling, I held all the buttons down while giving it a shake and it rattled, didn't have any notable problem with the cursor moving around when I stopped moving it after a quick movement. I did see the quotation marks, I was just pointing out that it doesn't affect every G303.

sureeeee
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sureeeee



No notable issues here, 2nd from bottom is from the sensor, other one is hand movement. 1 in 12 is not notable at all, that's with a mixture of fast and slow movements too. rolleyes.gif
Just because your G303 has a worse rattle (to the point where it's a notable issue in your eyes) than others doesn't mean they all have bad performance.
    
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No notable issues here, 2nd from bottom is from the sensor, other one is hand movement. 1 in 12 is not notable at all, that's with a mixture of fast and slow movements too. rolleyes.gif
Just because your G303 has a worse rattle (to the point where it's a notable issue in your eyes) than others doesn't mean they all have bad performance.
gr8
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my lens rattles a ton, but in csgo its not that much of an issue because of my sens. if i'd use anything over 400 dpi on my desktop i'd go mad.
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gr8

This whole conversation works only if you imagine your anime avatars arguing.
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