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Was this post meant for this thread? And not sure what it has to do with overclocking....a $19 Hyper TX-3 air cooler would have no trouble keeping a stock 4370 under 55 degrees.

It was, my point was that, since every CPU is a little different, and that if he intends to overclock, like he mentioned in the original post, that he should use a water cooler.
post #22 of 56
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Water cooling is out of the question with my case, no radiator mounting unless I do it on the exterior. What I'm currently investigating is direct to die cooling... Toss the IHS altogether. That might be the best way to get the coolest temps on my H212+ but it will feel kind of fragile. I'd have to remove the CPU bracket.
post #23 of 56
Direct die does not gain very much at all. Not like delidding.
post #24 of 56
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It was, my point was that, since every CPU is a little different, and that if he intends to overclock, like he mentioned in the original post, that he should use a water cooler.

He mentioned in his original post that he did not want to spend the money on a new cooler if possible, so I would think that going into a loop would be out of the question. Even a Swiftech H220-X2 or base XSPC kit is going to run $139. What he did not mention in his original post was anything about overclocking.
post #25 of 56
Try occt. Record temps before doing any deluding or water cooling. Don't use prime 95 with that cpu unless you don't want to see over the top numbers
    
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post #26 of 56
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Water cooling is out of the question with my case, no radiator mounting unless I do it on the exterior. What I'm currently investigating is direct to die cooling... Toss the IHS altogether. That might be the best way to get the coolest temps on my H212+ but it will feel kind of fragile. I'd have to remove the CPU bracket.
Even thinking that shows you have no idea what can happen when IHS is not used.eek.gif The IHS is not there primarily to transmit heat, but to create a surface area to keep cooler, waterblock, whatever flat and true to CPU chip. Trying to mount a cooler directly onto the chip would be like trying to stand an elephant on a single Lego block. tongue.gif

Until you take the time to check what your cooler intake air temp actually is compared to room temp there is no reason for anyone to be making more suggestions about how to improve CPU temps. I know I preach this over and over and over. But the cooler has to have a supply of cool air. And this cool air supply as often as not is not. Got that? Just because a case as a bunch of fans does not mean component intakes are getting cool air. Believe that and you can get better temps. Ignore it and chances are you will never have a well cooled system.
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post #27 of 56
I would not recommend a naked mount, it's just opening yourself up to a whole host of possible problems, usually bad pin contact resulting in memory issues, been there, done that, not worth the hassle. It would be more practical to delid and lap the IHS, still get fantastic temp results and no issues with problem solving a bad mount. In your case you will be limited by your heat sink more than anything so really just delid and changing TIM is probably enough, but if you want to get the most out of your heat sink, get your case airflow as good as possible, fit the second fan to the heat sink, delid CPU, lap the IHS and heat sink base and use good TIM, you should be able to handle a 4.5ghz OC with that pretty nicely.
post #28 of 56
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I would not recommend a naked mount, it's just opening yourself up to a whole host of possible problems, usually bad pin contact resulting in memory issues, been there, done that, not worth the hassle. It would be more practical to delid and lap the IHS, still get fantastic temp results and no issues with problem solving a bad mount. In your case you will be limited by your heat sink more than anything so really just delid and changing TIM is probably enough, but if you want to get the most out of your heat sink, get your case airflow as good as possible, fit the second fan to the heat sink, delid CPU, lap the IHS and heat sink base and use good TIM, you should be able to handle a 4.5ghz OC with that pretty nicely.
Another option is to use a cooler that has a convex base .. something Thermalright pioneered years ago and many others have now copied The convex base fits into the concave IHS.

While the center of cooler is only fraction of a millimeter lower than the edges, it makes a huge difference in heat transfer for two reasons
  1. It give more direct contat to IHS
  2. It pushes IHS center firmly onto CPU chip
Because direct metal contact transfers heat much better than any TIM, more heat can be drawn away from CPU chip. The drawing below is for direct contact heatpipes on new Macho Direct Thermalright cooler, but the same principles apply to copper bases.
post #29 of 56
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To modify the IHS and heat sink, I have the tools and experience to polish them both to an extremely flat surface. I know the base of my H212+ looks pretty rough. I feel like that might improve my contact area ergo better transfer.



For airflow, at the moment my case is open. My computer room is not heated and is 57 F (its cold-ish outside 37 F)

I have the delid tool coming, its a test version of the tool but it looks solid.

Haven't ordered TIM yet, I wanted to find out more about this stuff: http://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/products/26-conductonaut-en
It sounds too good to be true and seems expensive...
post #30 of 56
My 4790k was hitting 100c when running any sort of stress test. I ended up having to rma with intel and the new one that I got hits 65c under p95. Mind you I am using a NH-D14. You might want to look at contacting intel about it.
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