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[ZDNet] Microsoft starts pushing Windows 10 as a 'recommended' update

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In October 2015, Microsoft officials outlined a schedule for stepping up the company's push to get Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 users to move to Windows 10.

On February 1, Microsoft started making good on the promised push.

"As we shared in late October on the Windows Blog, we are committed to making it easy for our Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 customers to upgrade to Windows 10. We updated the upgrade experience today to help our customers, who previously reserved their upgrade, schedule a time for their upgrade to take place," said a company spokesperson.

What does that cryptic statement (delivered at 5 pm ET, right in the middle of the Google earnings call, by the way) actually mean?

It means today's the day Windows 10 moves to "recommended" status.
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For better or worse, it looks like Microsoft is ready to take the next step in pushing out Windows 10 to as many of their customers as possible. Here's to hoping that those of us who are intentionally staying on Windows 7 or 8.1 and have used preventative measures will be left alone!
 
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"We updated the upgrade experience today to help our customers"

or in less PR friendly wording

"We made it harder to evade upgrading; we're tired of waiting for you to do it of your own will"

I didn't realise anyone who wanted to was having any trouble initiating the upgrade. The incessant little pop-ups made it so easy to get Windows 10.
 
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We knew this was coming. I love how they say they are doing this to "help" their customers.

I bet if the numbers stay low they will move it into a security update within a couple of months.
 
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why are they pushing this so hard. i have a very bad feeling about this it wouldnt surprise me if they implemented micro transactions after everyone upgrades how else do you explain this kind of stuff
 
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Or I'll just continue to download and install when I deem necessary.

I'll just keep using my windows 7 operating system until it's done with and switch to Linux.

Probably have one more new computer before bowing out of gaming entirely.
I don't want Windows 10 at all and plan to stick with Windows 7 as long as possible, but I don't get bowing out of gaming entirely just because at some point you'll probably have to use it to get the full experience of future games... I mean, it is possible to run two different operating systems on the same computer and use one solely for gaming and the other for everything else...

Better yet, why not build two computers if you really want to separate everything. It's not like you need a workstation for Linux to surf the web.
 
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I don't want Windows 10 at all and plan to stick with Windows 7 as long as possible, but I don't get bowing out of gaming entirely just because at some point you'll probably have to use it to get the full experience of future games... I mean, it is possible to run two different operating systems on the same computer and use one solely for gaming and the other for everything else...

Better yet, why not build two computers if you really want to separate everything. It's not like you need a workstation for Linux to surf the web.
AAA games of late suck, and later when DX12 is mainstream it will require Windows 10. I have no need for Windows 10 now, as Windows 7 is still supported. When its not, Windows 10 will have a price tag.

Any game I play anymore is more than likely supported via linux so, why would spend additional funds on two machines when I can just play on one?

Only games I play anymore are Mass Effect and occasional Company of Heroes 2 which iirc one is already supported. Only game Im interested in is The Division, otherwise "everything else" is a non issue as Office can convert open office files quite easily.
 
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i had my first win 10 upgrade popup happen on my 8.1 lappy the other day which i thought i had locked down pretty well.
it asked me when i opened IE to test an enterprise app that needed it....i got the "experience windows MOAR BETTAR" popup immediately when i clicked on IE, is this where they are hiding the popups if you are protecting yourself from the windows update stuff?
 
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wouldn't be surprised if by next month it is a critical update
When that happens, I'm pulling the plug on Windows Update for good.
 
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Win10 is free and full of love....
 
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wouldn't be surprised if by next month it is a critical update
No, next month, there will be a "bug" that made it a critical update. Once the "bug" gets enough Twitter exposure, they'll "fix" the bug.
 
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Win10 is free and full of love....
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Same.

Enough is enough, MS. We paid for Win 7, let us stay there if we want to.
They've made it well known that Windows is no longer an Operating System, it's now a SERVICE.

If you don't get on the service train, you won't get service, period.
 
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I was stuck in a waiting room this morning. The TV was on some talk show with Micheal Strahan and Kelly Rippa. They mentioned windows 10 and that's when the show caught my attention. Everyone in the audience started booing like crazy. You would have thought it was a football game and they were booing the visitors lol. Maybe i can find it on YouTube...
 
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Originally Posted by philhalo66 View Post

why are they pushing this so hard.
Because it's their new OS of course they want you to use it. Windows 7 is old
 
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I was stuck in a waiting room this morning. The TV was on some talk show with Micheal Strahan and Kelly Rippa. They mentioned windows 10 and that's when the show caught my attention. Everyone in the audience started booing like crazy. You would have thought it was a football game and they were booing the visitors lol. Maybe i can find it on YouTube...
Please do find that...Would show the ardent Win10 defenders here that their "service" is not well liked by the public too and not just us "tin foil hat conspiracy theorists" here in OCN
 
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It's not showing up for me, and maybe that is because I don't have KB2952664 (aka "Compatibility update for upgrading Windows 7") installed. Why am I saying this? Because that one is showing up again as having been published today. The last time it was published and I hid it was on the 12th of January.

I wonder if this is the last time I have to hide this crap.

Also pushed today is another update to the Update client, and again, lacking any sort of meaningful description, which is probably to say it's got Windows 10 bits in it:

KB3135445, "Windows Update Client for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2: February 2016"

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About this update

This update contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1) and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1.
One more to the pile of updates to hide.

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Same.

Enough is enough, MS. We paid for Win 7, let us stay there if we want to.
They've made it well known that Windows is no longer an Operating System, it's now a SERVICE.

If you don't get on the service train, you won't get service, period.
Please stop spreading inaccurate information once and for all.

I paid for a retail copy of Windows 7, I've got the receipt and I accepted a different set of terms and conditions compared to those they are applying to Windows 10. Microsoft will either support Windows 7 until 2020 for systems prior to Skylake like they have reiterated in that blog post about Skylake systems or they will have to reimburse me at least part of the money I paid for the OS, it's that simple.

Windows 10 is a service, all other prior OSes still under support aren't. Period.

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I was stuck in a waiting room this morning. The TV was on some talk show with Micheal Strahan and Kelly Rippa. They mentioned windows 10 and that's when the show caught my attention. Everyone in the audience started booing like crazy. You would have thought it was a football game and they were booing the visitors lol. Maybe i can find it on YouTube...
Please do try, I'd like to see that as well. There is a strange complicitness in some media towards pretending that nothing is wrong with Windows 10.

Little mentioned fact regarding the latest OS statistics: while it's true that Windows 10 being aggressively pushed is getting its numbers higher (most of the media outlets are also playing Microsoft's game and saying it's now the second most used OS when that is factually wrong, it's the third because 8 and 8.1 are to be read as one), the overall Windows marketshare shrunk.

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I don't know why you'd want to stay on Windows 7 when you get a free upgrade. If you don't like the information they take use Ubuntu or Linux based OS.
What about a third option: people bought Windows 7 and want to use it for the time it is supported and don't want to submit to the worse terms and conditions that come with 10? Sounds strange eh? To Microsoft it surely does, but that's what they committed to and it's what people paid for.
 
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I don't know why you'd want to stay on Windows 7 when you get a free upgrade. If you don't like the information they take use Ubuntu or Linux based OS.
I know your average joe has the attention span of a ferret on a espresso binge....But it hasnt been three years yet for the epic fail of a reveal for the Xbone....

Let me refresh some memories...

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/05/15/xbox-one-is-a-directionless-mess-the-brief-history-of-xbox-one-and-the-kinects-failure/

Now he mentions the kinects removal was to give price parity to sony....but remember they mentioned how the kinect was intregrated and necessary for the Xbone experience(sound familar???...another attempt with forcing things on the public for our own good)

Coupled with this....

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4353580/kinect-always-listening-on-xbox-one-privacy-is-a-top-priority

A kinect that is always on coupled with online drm....yeah....i trust these guys with their new OS....
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Edit: Correction...it hasnt been nearly two years...which makes everyones memories on this even worse....
 
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Please stop spreading inaccurate information once and for all.

I paid for a retail copy of Windows 7, I've got the receipt and I accepted a different set of terms and conditions compared to those they are applying to Windows 10. Microsoft will either support Windows 7 until 2020 for systems prior to Skylake like they have reiterated in that blog post about Skylake systems or they will have to reimburse me at least part of the money I paid for the OS, it's that simple.
They've made the statement on Windows weekly now, twice.

It's not, nor has it ever been misinformation.

Your ignorance to the reality that Windows //is// moving towards a SERVICE, is your own fault for not educating yourself - Not ours, when at this point it's common knowledge.

Again, never said you didn't have support, that's not part of my statement, now is it? Nope.

It says that windows is moving towards the service model and if you don't want to get on the service train, get out - Which is 100% accurate. So what if it happens in 2020? It's a fact, Jack. Isn't it? Oh yeah, it is.

So no, I won't stop spreading the facts. The facts are that you'll see diminishing service and updates over the next 5 years because you know, that's just business/finance 101 and once that's degraded you'll just have to buy into Windows instead of getting it for free, now...Since you know that will eventually be the reality...You know since M$ wants to stick it to you...But, to each their own.

P.S. Legally speaking, degradation of service is contractual and reasonably expected since they're moving onto new product so, they actually owe you nothing - You're a licensee, that's it.
 
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They've made the statement on Windows weekly now, twice.

It's not, nor has it ever been misinformation.

Your ignorance to the reality that Windows //is// moving towards a SERVICE, is your own fault for not educating yourself - Not ours, when at this point it's common knowledge.

Again, never said you didn't have support, that's not part of my statement, now is it? Nope.

It says that windows is moving towards the service model and if you don't want to get on the service train, get out - Which is 100% accurate. So what if it happens in 2020? It's a fact, Jack. Isn't it? Oh yeah, it is.

So no, I won't stop spreading the facts. The facts are that you'll see diminishing service and updates over the next 5 years because you know, that's just business/finance 101 and once that's degraded you'll just have to buy into Windows instead of getting it for free, now...Since you know that will eventually be the reality...You know since M$ wants to stick it to you...But, to each their own.

P.S. Legally speaking, degradation of service is contractual and reasonably expected since they're moving onto new product so, they actually owe you nothing - You're a licensee, that's it.
Let's not pretend that you weren't replying to corky dorkelson's very precise post (see below), so, once again, stop twisting words to try to make an argument you don't have. Windows 7 and 8.1 aren't a service and they aren't "moving towards a SERVICE", if that is what you are implying.

The point was, Windows 7 is supported until 2020 and people like corky and me want to use what we paid for, nobody needs to get off the train now.

Also, it's obvious that Windows 10 is a service, that is not even under question, so stop bringing it up to deflect, you're not educating anyone on that, I've said that myself multiple times and is one of the reasons why I don't like Windows 10 and I've explained pretty clearly how that is then reflected in the Terms of Service already (more to come most probably). Microsoft itself can't stop mentioning "Windows as a service" when talking about Windows 10 whenever they can. Again, when talking about Windows 10.

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Same.

Enough is enough, MS. We paid for Win 7, let us stay there if we want to.
They've made it well known that Windows is no longer an Operating System, it's now a SERVICE.

If you don't get on the service train, you won't get service, period.
And here is Microsoft's blog post, which makes it very clear and contradicts what you were implying:

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/01/15/windows-10-embracing-silicon-innovation/
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With Windows 7 now in extended support, we are focused on our commitment to deliver security, reliability, and compatibility to our installed base on their current systems.
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Windows 7 will continue to be supported for security, reliability, and compatibility through January 14, 2020 on previous generation silicon. Windows 8.1 will receive the same support through January 10, 2023. This includes most of the devices available for purchase today by consumers or enterprises.
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In clarifying this policy, we are prioritizing transparency with enterprises on where to find the highest reliability and best supported Windows experience: Windows 10 on any silicon, Windows 7 on the down-level silicon it was designed for, or a device on the support list.
Edit to answer your P.S.: Legally speaking they still owe me more with Windows 7, which I paid for and is a product, than with Windows 10, which is a "free" service. With Windows 10 they really owe me nothing and can do whatever they can. The way Windows 10 works already (again, more to come most probably) shows that pretty well.
 
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