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I was stuck in a waiting room this morning. The TV was on some talk show with Micheal Strahan and Kelly Rippa. They mentioned windows 10 and that's when the show caught my attention. Everyone in the audience started booing like crazy. You would have thought it was a football game and they were booing the visitors lol. Maybe i can find it on YouTube...

Please do find that...Would show the ardent Win10 defenders here that their "service" is not well liked by the public too and not just us "tin foil hat conspiracy theorists" here in OCN
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I don't know why you'd want to stay on Windows 7 when you get a free upgrade. If you don't like the information they take use Ubuntu or Linux based OS.
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It's not showing up for me, and maybe that is because I don't have KB2952664 (aka "Compatibility update for upgrading Windows 7") installed. Why am I saying this? Because that one is showing up again as having been published today. The last time it was published and I hid it was on the 12th of January.

I wonder if this is the last time I have to hide this crap.


Also pushed today is another update to the Update client, and again, lacking any sort of meaningful description, which is probably to say it's got Windows 10 bits in it:

KB3135445, "Windows Update Client for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2: February 2016"

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About this update

This update contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1) and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1.

One more to the pile of updates to hide.



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Originally Posted by corky dorkelson View Post

Same.

Enough is enough, MS. We paid for Win 7, let us stay there if we want to.

They've made it well known that Windows is no longer an Operating System, it's now a SERVICE.

If you don't get on the service train, you won't get service, period.

Please stop spreading inaccurate information once and for all.

I paid for a retail copy of Windows 7, I've got the receipt and I accepted a different set of terms and conditions compared to those they are applying to Windows 10. Microsoft will either support Windows 7 until 2020 for systems prior to Skylake like they have reiterated in that blog post about Skylake systems or they will have to reimburse me at least part of the money I paid for the OS, it's that simple.

Windows 10 is a service, all other prior OSes still under support aren't. Period.


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I was stuck in a waiting room this morning. The TV was on some talk show with Micheal Strahan and Kelly Rippa. They mentioned windows 10 and that's when the show caught my attention. Everyone in the audience started booing like crazy. You would have thought it was a football game and they were booing the visitors lol. Maybe i can find it on YouTube...

Please do try, I'd like to see that as well. There is a strange complicitness in some media towards pretending that nothing is wrong with Windows 10.

Little mentioned fact regarding the latest OS statistics: while it's true that Windows 10 being aggressively pushed is getting its numbers higher (most of the media outlets are also playing Microsoft's game and saying it's now the second most used OS when that is factually wrong, it's the third because 8 and 8.1 are to be read as one), the overall Windows marketshare shrunk.


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I don't know why you'd want to stay on Windows 7 when you get a free upgrade. If you don't like the information they take use Ubuntu or Linux based OS.

What about a third option: people bought Windows 7 and want to use it for the time it is supported and don't want to submit to the worse terms and conditions that come with 10? Sounds strange eh? To Microsoft it surely does, but that's what they committed to and it's what people paid for.
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I don't know why you'd want to stay on Windows 7 when you get a free upgrade. If you don't like the information they take use Ubuntu or Linux based OS.

I know your average joe has the attention span of a ferret on a espresso binge....But it hasnt been three years yet for the epic fail of a reveal for the Xbone....

Let me refresh some memories...

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/05/15/xbox-one-is-a-directionless-mess-the-brief-history-of-xbox-one-and-the-kinects-failure/

Now he mentions the kinects removal was to give price parity to sony....but remember they mentioned how the kinect was intregrated and necessary for the Xbone experience(sound familar???...another attempt with forcing things on the public for our own good)

Coupled with this....

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4353580/kinect-always-listening-on-xbox-one-privacy-is-a-top-priority

A kinect that is always on coupled with online drm....yeah....i trust these guys with their new OS....rolleyes.gif

Edit: Correction...it hasnt been nearly two years...which makes everyones memories on this even worse....
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Please stop spreading inaccurate information once and for all.

I paid for a retail copy of Windows 7, I've got the receipt and I accepted a different set of terms and conditions compared to those they are applying to Windows 10. Microsoft will either support Windows 7 until 2020 for systems prior to Skylake like they have reiterated in that blog post about Skylake systems or they will have to reimburse me at least part of the money I paid for the OS, it's that simple.

They've made the statement on Windows weekly now, twice.

It's not, nor has it ever been misinformation.

Your ignorance to the reality that Windows //is// moving towards a SERVICE, is your own fault for not educating yourself - Not ours, when at this point it's common knowledge.

Again, never said you didn't have support, that's not part of my statement, now is it? Nope.

It says that windows is moving towards the service model and if you don't want to get on the service train, get out - Which is 100% accurate. So what if it happens in 2020? It's a fact, Jack. Isn't it? Oh yeah, it is.

So no, I won't stop spreading the facts. The facts are that you'll see diminishing service and updates over the next 5 years because you know, that's just business/finance 101 and once that's degraded you'll just have to buy into Windows instead of getting it for free, now...Since you know that will eventually be the reality...You know since M$ wants to stick it to you...But, to each their own.

P.S. Legally speaking, degradation of service is contractual and reasonably expected since they're moving onto new product so, they actually owe you nothing - You're a licensee, that's it.
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They've made the statement on Windows weekly now, twice.

It's not, nor has it ever been misinformation.

Your ignorance to the reality that Windows //is// moving towards a SERVICE, is your own fault for not educating yourself - Not ours, when at this point it's common knowledge.

Again, never said you didn't have support, that's not part of my statement, now is it? Nope.

It says that windows is moving towards the service model and if you don't want to get on the service train, get out - Which is 100% accurate. So what if it happens in 2020? It's a fact, Jack. Isn't it? Oh yeah, it is.

So no, I won't stop spreading the facts. The facts are that you'll see diminishing service and updates over the next 5 years because you know, that's just business/finance 101 and once that's degraded you'll just have to buy into Windows instead of getting it for free, now...Since you know that will eventually be the reality...You know since M$ wants to stick it to you...But, to each their own.

P.S. Legally speaking, degradation of service is contractual and reasonably expected since they're moving onto new product so, they actually owe you nothing - You're a licensee, that's it.


Let's not pretend that you weren't replying to corky dorkelson's very precise post (see below), so, once again, stop twisting words to try to make an argument you don't have. Windows 7 and 8.1 aren't a service and they aren't "moving towards a SERVICE", if that is what you are implying.

The point was, Windows 7 is supported until 2020 and people like corky and me want to use what we paid for, nobody needs to get off the train now.

Also, it's obvious that Windows 10 is a service, that is not even under question, so stop bringing it up to deflect, you're not educating anyone on that, I've said that myself multiple times and is one of the reasons why I don't like Windows 10 and I've explained pretty clearly how that is then reflected in the Terms of Service already (more to come most probably). Microsoft itself can't stop mentioning "Windows as a service" when talking about Windows 10 whenever they can. Again, when talking about Windows 10.

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Same.

Enough is enough, MS. We paid for Win 7, let us stay there if we want to.

They've made it well known that Windows is no longer an Operating System, it's now a SERVICE.

If you don't get on the service train, you won't get service, period.


And here is Microsoft's blog post, which makes it very clear and contradicts what you were implying:

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/01/15/windows-10-embracing-silicon-innovation/
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With Windows 7 now in extended support, we are focused on our commitment to deliver security, reliability, and compatibility to our installed base on their current systems.
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Windows 7 will continue to be supported for security, reliability, and compatibility through January 14, 2020 on previous generation silicon. Windows 8.1 will receive the same support through January 10, 2023. This includes most of the devices available for purchase today by consumers or enterprises.
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In clarifying this policy, we are prioritizing transparency with enterprises on where to find the highest reliability and best supported Windows experience: Windows 10 on any silicon, Windows 7 on the down-level silicon it was designed for, or a device on the support list.




Edit to answer your P.S.: Legally speaking they still owe me more with Windows 7, which I paid for and is a product, than with Windows 10, which is a "free" service. With Windows 10 they really owe me nothing and can do whatever they can. The way Windows 10 works already (again, more to come most probably) shows that pretty well.
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personally i have no issue with windows 10 sure it requires a little extra privacy tweaking then windows 7 but once thats over with it. It is a pretty nice OS once you get use to the new interface. However windows 7 has extended support until 2020 they need to honor that and really can't force you to upgrade.

 

The biggest issue I have with windows 10 is the driver support.

 

when a big company like Intel decides to not upgrade there drivers. Every thing works fine on windows 7 then you upgrade to 10 and lose gpu acceleration and can't do what you did before. And they wonder why people are still on windows 7.

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Let's not pretend that you weren't replying to corky dorkelson's very precise post (see below), so, once again, stop twisting words to try to make an argument you don't have. Windows 7 and 8.1 aren't a service and they aren't "moving towards a SERVICE", if that is what you are implying.

The point was, Windows 7 is supported until 2020 and people like corky and me want to use what we paid for, nobody needs to get off the train now.

Also, it's obvious that Windows 10 is a service, that is not even under question, so stop bringing it up to deflect, you're not educating anyone on that, I've said that myself multiple times and is one of the reasons why I don't like Windows 10 and I've explained pretty clearly how that is then reflected in the Terms of Service already (more to come most probably). Microsoft itself can't stop mentioning "Windows as a service" when talking about Windows 10 whenever they can. Again, when talking about Windows 10.
And here is Microsoft's blog post, which makes it very clear and contradicts what you were implying:

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/01/15/windows-10-embracing-silicon-innovation/


Edit to answer your P.S.: Legally speaking they still owe me more with Windows 7, which I paid for and is a product, than with Windows 10, which is a "free" service. With Windows 10 they really owe me nothing and can do whatever they can. The way Windows 10 works already (again, more to come most probably) shows that pretty well.

Great post, bookmarked for future reference in case more FUD gets spread.
Edited by magnek - 2/2/16 at 5:18pm
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Let's not pretend that you weren't replying to corky dorkelson's very precise post (see below), so, once again, stop twisting words to try to make an argument you don't have. Windows 7 and 8.1 aren't a service and they aren't "moving towards a SERVICE", if that is what you are implying.

Learn2Read, not what I said nor inferred - Verbatim.

Windows in and of itself, is now a service.

Nowhere in my verbiage does it say Windows 7 is or will be.
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The point was, Windows 7 is supported until 2020 and people like corky and me want to use what we paid for, nobody needs to get off the train now.

Nobody refuted your ability to do so.
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Also, it's obvious that Windows 10 is a service, that is not even under question, so stop bringing it up to deflect, you're not educating anyone on that, I've said that myself multiple times and is one of the reasons why I don't like Windows 10 and I've explained pretty clearly how that is then reflected in the Terms of Service already (more to come most probably). Microsoft itself can't stop mentioning "Windows as a service" when talking about Windows 10 whenever they can. Again, when talking about Windows 10.
And here is Microsoft's blog post, which makes it very clear and contradicts what you were implying:

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/01/15/windows-10-embracing-silicon-innovation/

They've already said that there won't be a Windows 11, there will be Windows the service, which is what I was referring to.

Again, learn2read, never inferred or stated anything different.
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Edit to answer your P.S.: Legally speaking they still owe me more with Windows 7, which I paid for and is a product, than with Windows 10, which is a "free" service. With Windows 10 they really owe me nothing and can do whatever they can. The way Windows 10 works already (again, more to come most probably) shows that pretty well.

Nope. Sorry.

You are a licensee. You do not OWN your software in any shape/form/function or reality. Windows as an operating system is a service being provided to you and it's support will last for another 5 years which, I never once refuted.

It's funny because you seem to get off on refuting my comments and pointing out facts that I never opposed, inferred or stated otherwise. I feel like it's Saturday Night Live and we're on Jeopardy because not once, have you refuted a statement I've actually made. You have refuted your assumptions as to my "apparent" meaning but, you have yet to rebut an actual statement.
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