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Noctua's long awaited 200mm fan and P12 replacement

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#1 ·
Seems like 2016 is gonna be the year where we finally get the 200mm A series fan and the 120mm A series fan replacing the P12 line which is between the S and F for balanced airflow/pressure ratio. I planned on upgrading my whole case with Noctua fans and was planning on getting some CM Megaflow 200mm fans but I might just wait for Noctua's 200mm one. Anyone else waiting on this? I had another question bugging me with the S12A vs the P12 (soon to be replaced by A12), in what scenarios should I use an S12A or P12? S12A exhaust only and P12 for dust filters and HDD cage? Some have said S12A for everything except cpu cooler. I'm having a hard time deciding.
 
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Originally Posted by psyclum View Post

link?
http://noctua.at/en/noctua-at-computex-2015

"In addition to the upcoming 120x25 and 140x25mm fans, Noctua exhibited its upcoming 20cm A-series fan that is currently scheduled for launch in Q4, as well as a slim 120x15mm version targeted for a mid-2016 release. A possible update to the popular NH-L12 low-profile cooler may use either of the upcoming 120x15 and 120x25mm A-series fans and is planned for later in 2016."

Computex might be old news but they talked about a Q4 2015 release, so it might be very close now considering they seem to be launching a lot of things mid-2016.
 
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I'm waiting for the day Noctua releases a 200mm fan in either black, grey, or white.. I'll be excited nonetheless when they release the 200mm fan but I just cannot stand the 'Noctua' colour scheme.
And I'm not buying a CM fan if they get a 200mm out...my current stock 200mm CM fans are noisy, have coil whine and I had to stop one because it was rattling like crazy..
 
#7 ·
I'm certainly keen to see (and hear) if they can deliver a great 200mm fan, hopefully with decent static pressure, PWM and colour options, even if chocolate and cream is one of the better ones.

The S12A might be slightly better for peak airflow for exhaust than the P12, but for my quiet tastes, the P12 is sonically less intrusive that the S12A at similar speeds. Prefer it to either the S12 or F12 models in every application.
 
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Originally Posted by MicroCat View Post

I'm certainly keen to see (and hear) if they can deliver a great 200mm fan, hopefully with decent static pressure, PWM and colour options, even if chocolate and cream is one of the better ones.

The S12A might be slightly better for peak airflow for exhaust than the P12, but for my quiet tastes, the P12 is sonically less intrusive that the S12A at similar speeds. Prefer it to either the S12 or F12 models in every application.
so basically S series on the rear, A series (older P) for everything else on the case?
 
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Originally Posted by Falmatrix2r View Post

so basically S series on the rear, A series (older P) for everything else on the case?
Could do. However, I'd use a P12 on the rear. Whenever I use the S12 as an exhaust fan, at load, it's sound signature always stands from other fans in the system. Not in a good way. It's a subtle thing, but the S12 at speed has a higher, whinier voice and I'm not fond of a soloist in an ensemble setting.
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Whenever possible, I prefer to have no exhaust fans. Usually remove the rear fan grille, toss the stoopid motherboard i/o shield and remove all pci slot covers. See doyll's Case Cooling How-to Post and ehume's free breathing air exhale mod



When required, my new fav exhaust fan is the Darkside PWM GT. Yes, it's a rad fan, but even at full beans, 1850rpm, it has a benign sonic signature. Not just because I'm a case fan rebel, I select components to fit the system at hand, not any preset category. Experimenting is half the fun. Achieving a system that meets your noise threshold tolerance is the other quarter and a bit. ;-)
 
#10 ·
well I'm on a motherboard that only has 3pins connectors except for CPU fan. I have an S12A running at 12v all the time and I'm not really a fan of the low noise adapter cause it cuts the static pressure almost in half. There is a clear whinier sound and it's distracting. Guess I'm just better off putting P12 everywhere? I thought S12A was the best option for case fans? I guess I just lost 20 bucks -_-
 
#11 ·
https://youtu.be/jQNhDMQOPa4?t=4m34s

Well look, they already showed a 200mm noctua fan in 2014!

I guess you are not too familiar with Noctua, but their release dates and announcements are worth 0.
They often do not release an announced fan at all or postpone it's release for like 2 years.

They said the 200mm fan would be released early 2015, then Q3 2015 and now it's like Q3 2016.
Me? I'm aiming for 2017 Q1. That should be accurate.
 
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Originally Posted by Falmatrix2r View Post

well I'm on a motherboard that only has 3pins connectors except for CPU fan. I have an S12A running at 12v all the time and I'm not really a fan of the low noise adapter cause it cuts the static pressure almost in half. There is a clear whinier sound and it's distracting. Guess I'm just better off putting P12 everywhere? I thought S12A was the best option for case fans? I guess I just lost 20 bucks -_-
Well, that sucks. But, that's why we have closets. Full of fans.
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You can get a PWM splitter that will control the CPU fan(s) and all the case fans (within reason) from the cpu fan header. Silverstone, Swiftech, Akasa all make splitters that can control up to 8 fans and is powered from a sata cable from the psu, so won't overload the mb cpu fan header. Only downside is that only one fan speed can be reported. However, it can make for a very quiet system at idle and 'breathes' with cpu load.
 
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I didn't know better 6 years ago, it was my first PC build, I wanted glowy fans -_- so I bought some worthless CM fans that had a CFM of 34...and the LEDs didn't even last 5 months...
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Originally Posted by stin0 View Post

My Phanteks Enthoo Luxe had a stock Phanteks 200mm fan - this one is pretty quiet up to 70% RPM
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I stay away from CM fans... No good mate.
I didn't know better 6 years ago, it was my first PC build, I wanted glowy fans -_- so I bought some worthless CM fans that had a CFM of 34...and the LEDs didn't even last 5 months...now I just wanna go on full noctua and I need those 200mm asap. Can't stand the idea of having to buy another CM fan

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Well, that sucks. But, that's why we have closets. Full of fans.
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You can get a PWM splitter that will control the CPU fan(s) and all the case fans (within reason) from the cpu fn header. Silverstone, Swiftech, Akasa all make splitters that can control up to 8 fans and is powered from a sata cable from the psu, so won't overload the mb cpu fan header. Only downside is that only one fan speed can be reported. However, it can make for a very quiet system at idle and 'breathes' with cpu load.
wouldn't a fan control hub in the drive bay look more classy and user friendly? Though that might be a little overkill for now.
Might as well write a message to Noctua and ask if the S12A is more appropriate or the P12. If it's the P12 then I'll wait until they get the newer A12.
 
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Originally Posted by Falmatrix2r View Post

wouldn't a fan control hub in the drive bay look more classy and user friendly? Though that might be a little overkill for now.
Sure, could go all Aquaero. Or other LCD screened distraction. I like the simplicity of PWM splitters. Doesn't get any more user friendly than cpu temp control of all case fans. Setup and forget. I've used a number of fancy fan controllers over the years and the novelty wore off. Too distracting for me now.
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Originally Posted by Falmatrix2r View Post

Might as well write a message to Noctua and ask if the S12A is more appropriate or the P12. If it's the P12 then I'll wait until they get the newer A12.
Please post their answer. Be curious what they suggest.
 
#19 ·
No offense intended, but thread sound like a cult .. or maybe it a band-aid fetish. Noctua talks for years and years about new 'releases' before we even see a picture of a prototype .. just more proto-hype. Add to this the emergence of the 'cult' mentality that Noctua is some sort of God making products better than anyone else.
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While Noctua as excellent customer support and many products just as good an anyone else, they are no better than several other leaders. I really hope they do release a new and wonderous 200mm fan, but the likelihood of it happening anytime soon .. or even this year is slim. Almost as slimas finding chicken teeth.
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#21 ·
Just curious, but what makes 'Noctua's bearing' any better than others?

I use lots of different fans it the mid to lower top-end price range with bearing having lots of different names some of which are ball bearings. Several have been in use 3-6 years with no issues I haven't had a single fan wear out or fail. Before that I used cheaper fans, some of which were in use for 6-7 years. Even then I had very few wear out or fail.

To me sound level and P-Q curve are far more important then the bearing.
 
#22 ·
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

Just curious, but what makes 'Noctua's bearing' any better than others?

I use lots of different fans it the mid to lower top-end price range with bearing having lots of different names some of which are ball bearings. Several have been in use 3-6 years with no issues I haven't had a single fan wear out or fail. Before that I used cheaper fans, some of which were in use for 6-7 years. Even then I had very few wear out or fail.

To me sound level and P-Q curve are far more important then the bearing.
Well, every time I order Gentle Typhoons, I usually have to order at least one extra since in my experience I will receive at least one with excessive bearing noise. Just ordered 3 recently, one has zero bearing noise, one has just slight bearing noise not enough to be heard unless your ear is near it, the 3rd has extreme bearing noise and will be going back. I've never had any issues with any bearing noise from my Noctua fans.

EDIT: The reason I ordered new Gentle Typhoons is I had the bearing in one of mine fail after 2 1/2 years and the second one was starting to show the same symptoms.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyler Dalton View Post

Well, every time I order Gentle Typhoons, I usually have to order at least one extra since in my experience I will receive at least one with excessive bearing noise. Just ordered 3 recently, one has zero bearing noise, one has just slight bearing noise not enough to be heard unless your ear is near it, the 3rd has extreme bearing noise and will be going back. I've never had any issues with any bearing noise from my Noctua fans.

EDIT: The reason I ordered new Gentle Typhoons is I had the bearing in one of mine fail after 2 1/2 years and the second one was starting to show the same symptoms.
I think you are one of only a few who has had GT bearing problems in less than 3 years, While not unheard of it is far from common .. although it seems to be happening more often recently.

That said, I still don't see how that makes Noc bearings any better. Shipping damage has nothing to do with bearing quality.
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And even Noctua have some bearing problems, not to mention the clicking common in their iPPC fans at low speeds.
 
#24 ·
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

I think you are one of only a few who has had GT bearing problems in less than 3 years, While not unheard of it is far from common .. although it seems to be happening more often recently.

And even Noctua hae some bearing problems, not to mention the clicking common in their iPPC fans at low speeds.
Yep, that is usually my luck. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of my problems are due to shipping. USPS doesn't exactly treat packages nicely and I don't think those bearings like taking a lot of jarring and they don't pack fans like they would a hard drive.
 
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Originally Posted by MicroCat View Post

Sure, could go all Aquaero. Or other LCD screened distraction. I like the simplicity of PWM splitters. Doesn't get any more user friendly than cpu temp control of all case fans. Setup and forget. I've used a number of fancy fan controllers over the years and the novelty wore off. Too distracting for me now.
Please post their answer. Be curious what they suggest.
coming back to you with Noctua's answer, they basically told me "it's not as if the S12A fans would be unusable for these tasks." when I talked about dust filters and an HDD cage and they added "I suggest you take two NF-P12 fans for the bottom and use the two NF-S12A fans you already have for the HDD and exhaust."

So basically if I hadn't already bought the S12A fans, he probably would've told me to get P12 everywhere. Makes sense to get the P12 where there's dust filters. The S12A on the HDD might act as a little boost to keep the airflow going which is already being pushed by the P12 on the front. And S12A as exhaust because it doesn't have to work as hard anyways especially if there's positive pressure in the case. And of course a nice F12 for radiators and coolers.
 
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Originally Posted by Falmatrix2r View Post

coming back to you with Noctua's answer, they basically told me "it's not as if the S12A fans would be unusable for these tasks." when I talked about dust filters and an HDD cage and they added "I suggest you take two NF-P12 fans for the bottom and use the two NF-S12A fans you already have for the HDD and exhaust."

So basically if I hadn't already bought the S12A fans, he probably would've told me to get P12 everywhere. Makes sense to get the P12 where there's dust filters. The S12A on the HDD might act as a little boost to keep the airflow going which is already being pushed by the P12 on the front. And S12A as exhaust because it doesn't have to work as hard anyways especially if there's positive pressure in the case. And of course a nice F12 for radiators and coolers.
Good answer, without alienating the customer. ;-)

Do you have all those various models already or just the S12As? For my ears, prefer the P12 to the F12 on a cooler.
 
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