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Hitachi is a great brand, no matter the product. I had a Japanese car filled with Hitachi parts, it was the most reliable car I've ever had. My Hitachi drill/impact set is also great and reliable. I've never had any problems with Hitachi anything.

My 320GB Hitachi is a real pain, it's very unreliable and randomly stops working or even appearing in the BIOS for months at a time but works fine otherwise.
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Green drives seem to be crap no matter who makes them, apart from the Samsung F4s - they've had good reports from what I've seen. Even WD's Red 3.5" and Scorpio Black drives seem to come with excessive head parking set as the default. I always disable it before I put the drives to use.

The 4TB Seagate drives are 5900rpm and are some of the best drives in terms of BBs reliability data afaik.
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To all the people talking about how useless these reports from backblaze are because they are unrealistically harsh conditions for the average home user - How is that any different than any stress test used to benchmark CPU coolers, drop test used to test cellphone durability, etc?

Sure, the failure rate of a particular drive might be exaggerated when used in these worst-case scenarios and will actually be much lower in most real-world scenarios, but that is true across the board for all the models tested.

If a particular drive has a very low failure rate when being run 24/7 in a rack with 39 other drives, then there is a pretty good chance it will have a low failure rate being used 24/7 in my PC with 6 other spinning drives, 13 fans, and a waterpump.

I'd much rather know that, then know how long it will last sitting on a shelf unused, or being used as the only moving part in an HTPC. In those best case scenarios, just about any drive is going to be reasonably reliable and I'd be basing my purchase on other aspects anyway such as price and acoustics respectively.

It's not any different, however look at what I said: Those aren't always indicative of real stresses at home and may show that a part is bad at handling one particular element of that particular load that won't affect a consumer drive half as much until most drives have had something else fail.
Take SSD durability tests for example, it doesn't really show reliability...an M4 would destroy an 840Evo on those because MLC vs TLC but in my experience the M4 is far, far more susceptible to death via brown/blackouts and even with the lesser amount of writing capacity in the Evo, it's still more than enough.

Likewise with the GTX 570 and 590, they'd sometimes blow up under extreme loads especially when OCed because of reduced VRM capacity but afaik while quite a number of people (Myself included) speculated on the effects on consumers it never had an effect short of when you were testing with Furmark.
    
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I have a Seagate working fine for me for 7 years and a 2nd one which I had to get replaced within 2 months.. Then had to get the replaced one replaced as well after 6 months.

The third one is doing ok for the past 3 years but then the drive I got next was Western Digital. I learned my lesson to stay away from Seagate though in the past it was good - that's why my old drive is still going on good for me.
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Bought 10 of these. 3 of them completely failed and 2 had lots of bad sectors just after a year. Got rid of the last 5 before I ended up losing all of my data.

I've had 20 Hitachi drives (2 and 4TB) for years and they are beautiful. The 2TBs are pre-flood drives and have been powered on 24/7 since. I will not buy any Seagate drives again, though the 8TB archive drives entice me...
 
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To all the people talking about how useless these reports from backblaze are because they are unrealistically harsh conditions for the average home user - How is that any different than any stress test used to benchmark CPU coolers, drop test used to test cellphone durability, etc?

Sure, the failure rate of a particular drive might be exaggerated when used in these worst-case scenarios and will actually be much lower in most real-world scenarios, but that is true across the board for all the models tested.

If a particular drive has a very low failure rate when being run 24/7 in a rack with 39 other drives, then there is a pretty good chance it will have a low failure rate being used 24/7 in my PC with 6 other spinning drives, 13 fans, and a waterpump.

I'd much rather know that, then know how long it will last sitting on a shelf unused, or being used as the only moving part in an HTPC. In those best case scenarios, just about any drive is going to be reasonably reliable and I'd be basing my purchase on other aspects anyway such as price and acoustics respectively.

You got to remember that reason people even get Seagate is because they are widely available and cheap.
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You got to remember that reason people even get Seagate is because they are widely available and cheap.

this, seagates are almost everywhere, they're more cheaper than the likes of WD too.
and despite being cheap, they're rather fast.
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You got to remember that reason people even get Seagate is because they are widely available and cheap.

I fail to see how this impacts my statement whatsoever.

I was merely pointing out that while worst case tests like these might not be representative of home use, they are a still a good indicator of reliability when it comes to conditions where reliability actually matters (those being non ideal conditions, where failure is much more common).

Furthermore, it is probably fair to say that anyone who is running enough drives with enough activity where long term reliability would actually come into effect would have conditions fairly analogous to those of a datacenter.

The laptop user who drops their drives frequently will have a different story, sure, but they should also already know that drops are a disaster to any moving drive, and should opt for a SSD if they actually care about reliability on a mobile device.

The guy with a single 5tb drive in his HTPC with no other moving parts and a UPS probably doesn't have to worry about vibrations and 24/7 usage, sure, but he also probably doesn't have to worry about drive reliability either, at least not as much as having a quiet drive and a sensible backup plan.

It's the guy with the 10 HDDs in a single system with several fans and/or liquid pumps running his system as a 24/7 server or NAS is the guy who needs to really worry about drive reliability, and that guy has very similar conditions to backblaze.

In short, I'm saying backblaze reliability reports are a good indicator of real-world reliability for users who actually have real cause for concern in the first place.
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I fail to see how this impacts my statement whatsoever.

I was merely pointing out that while worst case tests like these might not be representative of home use, they are a still a good indicator of reliability when it comes to conditions where reliability actually matters (those being non ideal conditions, where failure is much more common).

Furthermore, it is probably fair to say that anyone who is running enough drives with enough activity where long term reliability would actually come into effect would have conditions fairly analogous to those of a datacenter.

The laptop user who drops their drives frequently will have a different story, sure, but they should also already know that drops are a disaster to any moving drive, and should opt for a SSD if they actually care about reliability on a mobile device.

The guy with a single 5tb drive in his HTPC with no other moving parts and a UPS probably doesn't have to worry about vibrations and 24/7 usage, sure, but he also probably doesn't have to worry about drive reliability either, at least not as much as having a quiet drive and a sensible backup plan.

It's the guy with the 10 HDDs in a single system with several fans and/or liquid pumps running his system as a 24/7 server or NAS is the guy who needs to really worry about drive reliability, and that guy has very similar conditions to backblaze.

In short, I'm saying backblaze reliability reports are a good indicator of real-world reliability for users who actually have real cause for concern in the first place.

Yes I understand what you means. What I mean is Seagate HDD especially the 3TB is not designed for 2+ drive system that is why you pay much less. For example I got my 3TB Seagate for $100. Green was 120 and Red was 150. Black was like 200. Sure you can buy the Red but its 50% more.
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this is an external hard drive yeah, those connected via usb...
not the typical desktop hdd..
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Interesting.

Had a Hitachi A/C that worked for 15 years, sold my house along with it. Don't know if it's still alive. biggrin.gif

Hitachi A/C? I'm starting to get curious about the range of products they produce. It seems like they make everything.
    
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