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Honestly, i had a Seagate one first followed by 2 WD's.
Both WD's died now and the Seagate is still running strong.

Not using this as evidence or anything but i am staying far away from WD from now on.
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Honestly, i had a Seagate one first followed by 2 WD's.
Both WD's died now and the Seagate is still running strong.

Not using this as evidence or anything but i am staying far away from WD from now on.

And I've had the opposite experience. Of the two 3.5" Seagates I've had, one was throwing SMART errors upon arrival and the other died after a year of light duty service. Of the 17 3.5" WDs I've owned (fifteen are still in service), only two have died (one was quickly replaced under warranty, the other was an early Green with the excessive head parking issue that a computer shop had installed; it failed just outside the shop's 1 year warranty and I didn't know back then that I might have been able to get it replaced by WD directly). Seagates are the ones I'm staying far away from now.

However, once the Samsung 4TB SSDs are out later this year and then are down to a somewhat reasonable price (mayhap a year from now), I will be eschewing HDDs altogether and use SSDs only.
     
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Neither of these statements are true and are pretty clearly documented by BB...

Both are true I read all BB wrote about hdd stats
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You need to look at what models they use. They mainly use home user grade cheapest wd hdd and server grade hitachi hdd.

I'm going to reference you to this link. Backblaze actually shows a lower failure rate among their consumer-grade drives than they do their Enterprise-grade alternatives.
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Both are true I read all BB wrote about hdd stats
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Very likely Seagate would win because the backblaze result is based on 7×24 non stop server usage which is not what a home user grade hdd design to do at all.
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/vault-cloud-storage-architecture/

Keep in mind that these are servers meant for storage (not writing), consider what happens when a vault has been filled, and then let your logic guide you thumb.gif
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You need to look at what models they use. They mainly use home user grade cheapest wd hdd and server grade hitachi hdd.
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-q3-2015/

WD: 3 greens, 4 reds != "mostly cheapest WD"
HGST: 4 consumer, 3 enterprise != "(mostly) server grade hitachi"
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I'm going to reference you to this link. Backblaze actually shows a lower failure rate among their consumer-grade drives than they do their Enterprise-grade alternatives.

That is back to year 2013 and not include the worst Seagate one we discuss in this topic. If you look at the latest 2015 Q3 stats, it is very easy to tell server grade HDD has much better fail rate which should be around 1% to 2% while home user grade is around 4% if we don't count this Seagate 3TB model. The different is only 1 to 2%, not a big deal for home user like me but may be big deal for some people.
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https://www.backblaze.com/blog/vault-cloud-storage-architecture/

Keep in mind that these are servers meant for storage (not writing), consider what happens when a vault has been filled, and then let your logic guide you thumb.gif
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-q3-2015/

WD: 3 greens, 4 reds != "mostly cheapest WD"
HGST: 4 consumer, 3 enterprise != "(mostly) server grade hitachi"

cheapest HGST is much more expensive than cheapest WD/Seagate, I would not consider HGST is for home user.
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cheapest HGST is much more expensive than cheapest WD/Seagate, I would not consider HGST is for home user.
...

That's fine for you, but for the rest of us consumer drives are drives designed for consumer applications while enterprise drives are drives designed for enterprise applications...

Edit:
Also:
DeskStar 2TB: $79.99
Red 2TB: $79.99

DeskStar 4TB: $174.95
Red 4TB: $169.40

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I have a 500GB hard drive from my first gaming PC in 2011 that's still going strong as my OS drive.

A 160GB Seagate hard drive one of my brothers gave to me failed on me in like 2012 or 2013, but I'm not even sure how long he had it for so maybe it was on it's way out.

The plastic holder on my 2TB Seagate hard drive broke off and burnt up the power connector on the PCB, hopefully I can replace the PCB and recover the data.
Other than that, the hard drive worked well and served me well, this was the only problem I had with it.

I have a new 2TB Western Digital Green which is very good and is quite fast, I've heard things about those drives which weren't too positive but I think those were the older models.

I definitely need to look into different hard drives, how people find them and more information about their failure rates, it's quite interesting, but rather unfortunate if and when they fail.
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That's fine for you, but for the rest of us consumer drives are drives designed for consumer applications while enterprise drives are drives designed for enterprise applications...

Edit:
Also:
DeskStar 2TB: $79.99
Red 2TB: $79.99

DeskStar 4TB: $174.95
Red 4TB: $169.40

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Your prices show HGST price is same as "enterprise grade" Red.
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